THE BRITISH GSDL/WUSV SYSTEM "IN PERSPECTIVE" - Page 6

Should the BRG not take over the Breed Survey after all the BC is answerable to the KC, where as the BRG is not. The Breed Survey is not required for KC shows, but it is for BRG shows, so it would seem reasonable enough for the BRG to take over all aspects of the Breed Survey.
jim h

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A little walk to heel - not perfectly looking up at the handler, but walking in a controlled manner.
A sit stay for one minute when told to do so
A down stay if preferred as the object is to see if the dog is biddable
A recall back to owner with the distraction of other people or/and dogs
An approach whilst in the sit/down stay by the surveyor not touched, or disturbed, and walk away - with the dog not expected to react with fear or aggression
to play with an unknown person if invited to with a toy, or to be petted and make a friendly gesture away from owner

I`m no great advocate of "plastic dogs" but surely the above, just thought up instantly, would suffice as a test that the dog is trustworthy, confident, and under control.

Why does it need to have a "handle" - cant it just be the test required for the Survey, because anyone showing their dog, would surely want to breed from their dog if possible, and to do this would want to have enough control over their dog to be a companion dog.

I say   -   let the people doing the surveys come up with a defined test, same for each survey  -   for a well balanced confident GSD that you would be proud to own.     Mo.

I'm a bit nervous about posting on this thread because most of the people on here are either seasoned breeders or know more about this in depth than I do.

I suppose you could call me 'Joe Public' in that I own a GSD and I want to one day with the right experience be involved with breeding them etc, but up until a year and a half ago I knew nothing of the breed clubs and future breeding incentives, heck I wasn't even aware of the BC or the GDSL. However I have been following these threads with great interest because I am technically a newbie to the breed and this will affect me in the future. I only know of you guys because I became more involved and wanted to know as much as possible, and finding the database has been like a holy grail of info for me.

Being someone who wants to get involved for the betterment of the breed, I can say the way the GSDL seems to be heading is great. I think there should be links to the SV and WUSV because afterall, they set up the breed surveys and health requirements to ensure only the best of the best is bred. The KC allows for way too many to breed below standard dogs. But I'm not here to comment on that. I think it's been done to death now. What I can say is that over this last year or so i've been paying close attention it's been nice to see even more GSD people really working together to get the UK's butt into gear to ensure we are doing the breed justice.

I think the British seiger really did make the difference for GSDs in this country, as before then it was only through the KC that 'good dogs' could be put up. With flaws. The British Seiger as far as I am aware upped the standard criteria for allowing a dog to acheive a world recognised status because not only do they need to show well, they also neede to have the correct health, temperament and working ability, which is standard across the SV and anyone wishing to be involved with GSD's knows the SV was put in place to ensure GSD's were up to the strict criteria meant for breeding.

I've been involved with another breed before and I know how much time and effort it takes to bring about change when it comes to breeding and health. So what Videx is saying about just having the breed survey for now makes sense to me. However I am also aware that GSD's should have some working ability recognised to be approved for breeding. Thing is, we need to make more people interested in understaking the breed survey first.  I think there should be some sort of temperament test done to allow a breed survey to be given. The working side can be done by the owner themselves if they so wish, of course nowadays you can get people to work a dog for you.

Ultimately for me i think some form of working abiltiy/temperament test should be a must,and i think a UK BH would be ideal, but that could take a while to implement and then get enough people out there capable of helping people train their dogs to acheive that. Sadly in the UK there are nowehere near enough trainers/clubs capable of training a dog up to a high standard that people can reach.  The best trainer i could find is 2 hours away from me, and believe me if i had a car i'd be willing to travel that distance. A UK BH should be something that could be standard that people can work towards without the need of going to a specialist trainer.