What does a straight back gsd and roach back dog look like - Page 6

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beutiful dog with a very slight slope but almost straight like this dog ;-)

Noddi - thanks Carole I was going to refer to the various Standards but then read yours,
couldn't have put it better.

Jeanro -  you can't say the Borzois or Bedlington Terriers or any other breed have that shape topline in their Standards so that's ok, but GSDs don't so it isn't.  It is either unhealthy or its not.

(Actually UK Borzoi  standard does not say they should have a 'roach' back, it says "Back rises slightly at the loin to form a wide arch" - though I'm sure we have all seen examples which
fit that description better than others.  Some countries make reference to a "wheel" back in both these breeds. The Bedlington specifies a roach, but its one of very few which do.  Anyone suggesting there's been a GSD x Bedlington outcross  ? LOL)

Why would a breeder want to crossbreed to a borzoi for longer coat length and texture when almost every GSD alive carries the long coat gene and many are plushes with harsh guardhairs?



 

I have to give you credit for trying, Linda; I typically pass right by these threads rather than argue with self-appointed experts.

Hmutter your sarcasm is ok, too , I wouldn't expect more.

  
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Linda – Carole Lister didn’t write the post, Louis Donald did, and he is the author of the paper referred to which is available through Carole Lister. It really is well worth a read.

I wasn’t referring to most dogs, we were specifically discussing one extraordinarily extreme dog. I agree, Carole’s dog is not exaggerated in any way, but again, as you are aware I was referring to one specific, extremely exaggerated dog on this thread.

My comment did not imply that there was a problem with all GSD toplines at all, my point was made to illustrate that any extremes of body shape will indeed affect the anatomy within. No, I do not know how rare/commonplace CES or TVS is in the GSD. I do however know that it is now becoming commonplace for the spine to be X rayed in GSDs in Germany and that the SV have commissioned a back study, which suggests a problem in that area.

I will be very interested to see Linda Shaw’s illustration when it becomes available.

Kevin Nance – beautiful dog! Hallelujah! You can just see that this dog is made correctly and everything is just where it is meant to be. Just beautiful. 

Blitzen,one wonders whether Joanro knows how the gsd came about....Acroo between 2 german herding breeds..Wurtenberger/Thuringer(spellings prob.not correct.One a long coated breed with dropped ears n the other a shorter harsher coat with pricked ears.No mention of  a BORZOI.Maybe Joanro would like to provide us with a photo of her gsds n wots sport she does with them be it show,shutzhund,working trials,obedience/agility or just as pets,which is absolutely fine.I would provide a photo of my Chiki but am not computer savvy enuf to know how to,maybe a facebook friend of mine could do it for me(my profile pic is the one to put on here)Keith,so true,why we do it i dont know,as i said before ...banging ones head against a brick wall.Its the same here in the UK,with other breed ppl n the alsatian side.Joanro,why on earth is the way we show exhibitors stand our dogs so preposterous?????Mine have stood in this pose by theirselves,quite naturally,when something has caught their eye.TOTALLY NATURAL TO A WELL BALANCED CORRECT BACKLINED GSD.Nufin nicer to see,fills my eye when i see my girls doing it.Carole Spelman Rheinmeister gsds.OH BTW.Nitey nite.

Noddi, before you nod, if you notice, I said GSL. I didn't say gsd as a breed. When one looks at the GSL a similarity can be seen between some and the borzoi. And I doubt that Blitzen would know what I do or don't know, but I'm sure you were just asking her rhetorically. If in fact the borzoi had ever been introduced into the GSL, I doubt that you or any one else would be privy to that information;) anyway, as I said, I "pondered the thought". I didn't say it DID happen, so no point in going ape shit over a person wondering aloud. And as far as I'm concerned, all you experts can just keep on justifying all those deformed specimens of the gsd. There's no debate permitted in your world unless every one jumps on your band wagon. "Sleep tight and don't let the bed bugs bite".

Just the SL's are subject to corruption with borzoi blood, Noddi. The WL's remain pure.