No wonder Schutzhund people have a bad reputation - Page 7

I know, let's all make vids of our high-drive dogs. 

 I think our definition of high drive may be very different. I don't have dogs coming up the leash because of a correction, I have one that would do it out of frustration. I don't kick him when he bites me, most of the time it is just a mouth on my arm, and so fast that there is no point in correction. He wouldn't understand.

Then there are the dogs that frustrate very quickly, and they have a tendancy to want to fight, you, or the decoy. Not really trying to bite you, but to release that frustration somewhere.

Then there is putting your foot in a dogs ass that knows what he is supposed to do, and has decided to do other wise. Maybe he gets a boot in the ass. 

I would like to see a video of your dog(s) working. That way I can see what kind of dog(s) you are working.

There are many many many dogs that will NEVER need a boot in the ass. 

Then there are dogs that do need a boot in the ass. I have never had them limping after a boot in the ass, never had them come back at me, they just get back into heel position.

I don't have a leash on dogs all the time. They need to see that they can still be corrected, leash, collar, or nothing. Some dogs are going to do what they want, regardless of any sort of correction.

However, the way you are describing this, is not at all what I read in your original post at all. I did not assume like you did that there was bodily injury, and a trip to the vets office afterwards.

How about that video of "high drive" ?? There are many many incorrect definitions of what drive is out there.

I would not let any trainer near my dogs who said something as "Some dogs need a boot in the ass", what education do you have on training?

To jump in i dont think that a kick thats more like a bump to get dogs atention is abuse by no means.  Thats what we are talking about here folks not a full on kung fu kick ment to break bones.  This is just to get a dogs atention just like kicking a dogs feet when teaching heel for crossing in front of you while you walk.  That is used along with a normal correction just adds a little.

 Quote: I would not let any trainer near my dogs who said something as "Some dogs need a boot in the ass", what education do you have on training?

I would not take seriously a person that has never worked a dog that has the guts to say fuck you no matter the training.

How about that video ? Do you have the guts to show that ?? Afraid that your definition of high drive might be lacking ?

 There are many types of dogs. Most of today's dogs have nothing to do with the original dogs of their breed. Today they are mostly toned down  versions of the same dog as he was 100 years ago. All dogs, as wolves do, should be seeking weakness in their leader and the opportunity to take over. Today these dogs, if the other drives are present, are called working or sport dogs. Life in the wild pack was not a soft and easy life, corrections were necessary. The Alpha dog or wolf would harshly remind the others of this if need be.

True working dogs need constant discipline and corrections appropriate to the challenge they issue. No beating is justified but a well timed correction is sometimes necessary. 

I presently own a 9 months old bitch that would have me walking at her heel and fetching for her. This dog, in almost any other household, would have to be put down.

I'm sure Feather has never owed a dog like this because, if so, we would not be having this conversation.

Koach

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I wouldnt normally chime in on this sort of post but I agree with Jeff and the others about a boot in the ass at times to get attention. I have a 16 month old bitch who is extremely high drive, dominent, and very hard and there are times that I give her a boot ( inside part of my foot) in the ass to get her attention cuz if I dont someone will get hurt or another dog will be injured.  It surely isnt the kind of kick that causes pain or injury but just enough to get her to stop and focus on me. She is a WL bred dog that like I said before is very high drive and dominent. If she were a soft dog I would never boot her in the ass as my voice or quick correction with a prong collar would be enough. Now I do agree that a full force kick in the gut or chest with your toes ( shoes on of course) to cause pain in my book is bad. But not a simple boot with the inside or outside of your foot that barely even moves the dog.

JMO
Cath

I've used the 'Soccer' kick numerous times.  Just a quick flick from the ankle down -no need to use the whole power of the leg, that is abusive in my option- and all my dogs recognize it as a 'I meant platz, not creep towards the decoy while we're talking'.

Much less fuss and drama than a pop on the correction collar which, especially during bite work, can actually cause things to escalate.

>If a dog "comes up the leash at you" then it's something wrong YOU are doing, or have done, in training.

LMAO. Oh, I wish my Isko were still alive. I'd love to give you his leash, after I've had him prace around nice as you please with me, and see what happens next. Because I'm sure -when!- he doesn't listen to you, and -when!- he comes back up the leash at you, it's clearly something you are doing wrong.