changing the stacking pose of the german shepherd?? - Page 7

 No one has to accept the overdone rears

who in their right mind wants to accept such a thing??

Eddy, do you show a GSD in conformation or another venue?

why does that matter blitzen?

I didn't think so.

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I was playing around and hit something accidentally so I might as well place something in this empty space. Eddy you have received a lot of good responses, is this about stacks or rears? I find the stacks useful in evaluating structure. As Rik stated you don't have to accept an overdone rear nor should you. I would agree with him that there are WL and GSLs that don't have overdone rears. If you think they should look as they did 100 years ago I will disagree with you. Could you write something up that we can follow so we will breed dogs to your standard?

Xeph: Because they've been set up this way for 100+ years. Dunno why this is such a hard concept to follow?

Maybe you have not been paying attention to the prior posts !  If you click on the links I posted above, you will clearly see that if you skip the recent couple of decades, the dogs were never subjected to such ridiculous poses for the show-ring.....let alone going back to  "100+ years".   Clearly, there has been a steady dilution in the structure (demonstrated pointedly by the show poses), eliminating any working possibility from these "show" specimens.

Von Stephanitz would be turning in his grave with the way the breed he formed has been channeled, by the knaves from the show-world.  Thankfully, at least most of the working lines are still un-sullied by such influences, and hopefully will remain as such.....and the public in general will still get to see and experience real GSD structures that have not deviated from Stephanitz's vision.

thanks aaykay..........good post too markobytes, if the german shepherd does not have the proper structure and i quote rik..........'.These angles have been carried to extreme by the show world and the long rears I doubt could hold up to a 12 hr. day of constant movement, but it is what it is.'

then why are these structures which are created for the supposed gait and the stack,all to please the judges.

that is not the way is suppose to be.......

Rik:
1. the show pose is an exagerated, forced stack for exibition purposes, during this phase the judge is evaluating certain aspects of the dog, but he is also evaluating during movement and during the individual exam.

Why was this not the case in the past ?  Look at the fluid/lithe structure of a Klodo v Boxberg or a more recent Bodo/Bernd v Lierberg or a Mutz v Pelztierfarm, standing in their show-poses (doesn't look exaggerated at all to me !) and compare that with the recent over-done versions.

The following are all "show poses" of top-dogs from the past, none of whom have the problem poses that one sees nowadays:

Mutz v Pelztierfarm:



VA1 Bodo v Lierberg:



VA1 Klodo v Boxberg:


Ingo von Rudingen:



Ingo's son, Held v Ritterberg:


DDR Sieger 2 years in a row, Condor v Falkenwappen:


Condor's grand-father, Ali v Granert:

aaykay i dont know what some people see when they look at those old pictures............but it seeems pretty obvious........the GSD does not seem to be going in the right direction strucutre wise.