which GSD's are the most titled in history? - Page 7

It´s not so hard to find dogs with 2-3 "real" titles, but to me it´s a big difference what the dog has done in each title, arko I posted earlier I think is without a doubt the most accomplished dog not only by his titles but how often he competed with high scores in those sports he was active in. I guess is also hard to do more than 3-4 sports/titles on high levels if you should be able to do other things than just train your dog;)

any title without a ''breed suitability test'' is not a breed worth indicator. The KKL has hips, teeth, conformation, and temperment evaluation plus. Just the work title, conformation rating, or any other accomplishment means nothing without use for the breed. Just seeing it on paper is not enough for me. I want to see work, prodigy, and ancestry. gotabe involved pass reading stuff like cd cgc t-1, hgh ect

The GS is a working dog, before this year they had Kk1 ( recommended for breeding), and kk2 ( suitable for breeding), therefore following this logically, if I want a good working dog in the breed than my chances are better with a Kk1 dog if I use the Korung as barometer. Right?

LOL @Gustav:).

Korung ; KKL after the dog's name. it is a lofty goal. it is an ideal breeding plan. It is abused by the breed club, judges, and breeders to the point that there are too many ''paper tigers'' out there. This requires everyone to be active in the breed, to truely know what is a real ''tiger''. I want to see the dog's papers, from pedigree thru korung. I want to see the dog in training, multiple times if possible. Seeing training will tell me more than any title. Also known top contributors to the the breed in the pedigee. Then if I see offspring that I like, WOW. Titles are only one path towards the ideal. Involvement in the breed is mandated. One really bad example. About 20 years ago a handler had a dog make over 20 time Sch2. This handler collected many trophys and that seemed to be her thing. I remember one judge questioning her motives and trying to nudge to Sch3 as the next step. I do not remember the Sch 3 on that dog but I do remember seeing this handler smiling for many a trophy presentation.

That's the thing with AKC OB titles, they can't be faked. Either the dog passes 3 times or it doesn't  title period. Some judges score a littlle tougher than others so there may be some disagreement about the final score,  but there is no hanky-panky going on  as far as passing dogs that shouldn't pass. No midnight OB trials, it's all laid out for anyone who wants to see and the rules are clear and concise and 100% enforced. Blow one exercise, the dog DQ's.

Can´t see why a GSD needs to have done the german korung if it already has proven to be capable of much more than those simple requirements, maybe it even would be hard to pass the conformationpart because the dog is not pretty enough and then can´t be used in breedings just becuase of that.

I have been down the AKC obedience path and cherish the memmorys. I was drawn to Schutzhund-IPO because of the diversity in the 3 phases and the breed value that can be witnessed [ thru involvement] for the breed. Not a ''put down'' of OB titles but I do not understand ''faked''. What about the dog [team]that requires 14 trials to pass  the minimum of 3 to receive a title of '' companion dog''? My goal is to pass the test on my worst day. I Have not reach that goal every time. But again, a title only says very little of the teams success. Titles can be akc, IPO or the other sports cropping up but they only signify so much. A title might be just an indication of a person ''stick-to it-ness'' and say nothing to very little about the dog. It is far better to train our dogs than not to train. But the titles should point towards breed value and not just some person quest for the trophy table.

Johan, it is not hard to pass the conformation part of a Koerung.  I've seen dogs with dead tails, overweight and out of shape, missing or extra teeth, broken toplines....all V rated and KKL1.  Myself I have helped show some working lines and present them for Koerungs, even ones I didn't particularly like (and I like working lines, most of my GSDs have been working lines) but none of these dogs had problems getting Koered without major faults.  Last Koerung I was at there were 5 working lines and 2 show lines.  Everyone Koerd even the working line missing teeth.

I don't care if people Koer their dogs or not.  It's all so watered down it hardly matters anymore, but I don't like when people insist they can't Koer their dog because it's a working line and not pretty.  That's absolutely not true.  I've never seen a dog fail a Koerung without obvious faults.  If someone doesn't want to Koer then they should just say they don't want to, but don't try to make it sound like they have something against working line dogs.

johann 77; what about the dog who is ''BoBo von der vaterland'' Sch3, Ipo3, Fh2, HGH CGC, UD, TDX. ect who is oversized, has bad hips, one testicle, 17 missing teeth, yellow eyes, long hair of cream color and bad breath. What has been proved? diligent handler with a willing specimen?