which GSD's are the most titled in history? - Page 8

VKGSD; Never saw a dog fail a KKL? I have been a witness to failure in the process to KKL. Dogs fail IPO trials = no KKL; dogs fail conformation events = no KKL; Can not pass hips/elbows cert = no KKL. And I have seen Koer Meisters dismiss dogs for various reasons.  It is too watered down in too many cases but not to adhere to some minimum will be a path well worn. by the american shepherd. Title dogs and then progress to complete specimen. "Paper tigers'' exist because people love the real thing!

student what I mean is a dog that presents at a Koerung with all the necessary paperwork normally doesn't fail just because it's a working line and the judge doesn't like it.  I think too often that is an excuse.  I've seen plenty of dogs dismissed from shows and in these cases it was pretty obvious why and most of the lay people would have done the same thing not even being experienced judges.  Dogs missing testicles, severe limping, etc.

I don't know too many smart breeders who don't do their homework before planning a breeding. They take an indepth look at pedigrees and accomplishments. By faked I was referring to a title that is earned at a midnight trial or a dog that was passed by a judge when it should not have been. Haven't we all seen dogs pass their IPO1/BH/whatever that really should not have? How many judges actually run dogs for the entire 12 miles for an AD? One of my dogs was jumped when she was doing her BH exericise by the downed dog and that dog still passed his BH. Should he have passed?  What do the rules say about that? I don't know any dog of any breed that had to be trailed 14 tmes to earn a CD, but I don't doubt that's the truth. Still, that dog HAD to get 3 qualifying scores total and passing or not was not left to the whim of the judge or based on the owner or the handler. AKC titles may not mean a lot, but when the dog/team earns them, they earn them. They are not gifted.

 

For me the german korung have no purpose because free from HD/ED is already regulated by the kennelclub, very few if any are going to breed to a dog with serious faults that affect workingability anyway, and for the temperament/workingpart why should a proven policedog or a dog doing other sports needing an IPO-title to be able to do the breedsurvey, this will shut out policedogs and such from breedings. Many dogs however are doing the korung we have here which also has a conformationpart but you don´t need to enter a show, and most dog pass, but even there I´ve heard about dogs not passing due to faults that don´t affect workingability, like to little pigment or similar. I don´t know how hard it is to pass the conformationpart in the german korung but you need to get a certain rating in a show as I understand it, so maybe that´s even harder if the judge doesn´t like the "type" of dog you have, the looks of many GSD breed under the german system seems to me have a bit of different stucture than  lines breed more for function and less regulations on conformation. So for me the german korung with it´s conformation regulation have not stopped the dogs from drifting away from the type that was less affected by breeding for a standard like it was from the start and maybe untill the 60s.

But I guess it´s an intressting question, when is a dog to uggly to be breed, is it always wrong to breed a longhair if it has excellent health and workingqualities as an example?

You need a "G" or better, not that hard.  KKL1 dogs are allowed to have certain teeth missing which I think is dumb.

Earlier in the thread I read that the Korung should be the barometer for the breed, then I read about all these things that occur that make it plausible that the highest rated Korungs are often paper tigers.....so why would I use the Korung to get me a good GS .....it doesn't make sense logically.....am I missing something?

gustav; you are involved. so this is a rhetorical  question I guess. never just breed to the published titles. get involved and then evolve. my point? this is a pointless thread without breed worthiness being the focus.

I think there are many problems with the Koerung but instead of using that as an excuse to never participate or make it sound like my dogs are discriminated against, I simply use my own judgment and high standards as to what dogs I will present.  I had a dog that I did not think was good in conformation or temperament, so I never tried to Koer that dog even if it would have been possible.  I won't present a dog I am not proud to present.  What other people do and how they lower their own standards is their business.

Lower their standards? This is a well worn slippery path. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Look at the american shepherd. Those american breeders follow their own instints [ instink] no supervision = down fall of the breed.

Uh excuse me, I own an ASL and I think she's a pretty nice dog.