Eastern European lines German Shepherds - Page 1

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Large Height is preferable.
Male Height: 26 -30 inches
Females Height: 24 - 28 inches


This breed was created in 1930 as a working dog!
Eastern European Shepherds was created from German Shepherds....
The first standard which has formed the breed type of East-European shepherd was approved in 1964 by the Cynologic Council of the Ministry of Agriculture of the USSR.


Any feed back about this old standard size campare to modern size German Shepherds.

Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Breed history

The East European Shepherd breed was developed from the German Shepherds bought to Russia at the beginning of the century. Starting from 1904 the breed was used as a police and nursing dog. By 1941 in the USSR already existed several types of the German Shepherd. After the war the breed was subject to careful and systematic work. The whole family lines were restored and new breed families were created. Breeding was characterised by absolute lack of contacts with foreign specialists. In Russia, the breed was given the formal name of «East-European Shepherd». As a result of intensive and extended work a new type of the German Shepherd was developed. This type was characterised by being larger, harmoniously built, strong, dry and well-defined muscles, sturdy bone structure and well-balanced character with a confident demeanour.

The German and East-European Shepherds have common origin, yet feature different exterior and behavioural traits. The East-European Shepherd is rather silent while on duty, which makes this breed perfect as a guard or watch dog. Modern pedigree East-European Shepherd has never become yet another «fashionable» «decorating» breed due to the fact that breeders strongly appreciate this dog for its unique working qualities. Numerous professional dog trainers and dog-breeders prefer the East-European Shepherd breed for its reliability, loyalty and intelligence.

Being perfect jumpers, the shepherd dogs are fond of barriers and obstacles. The training exercise is probably the most entertaining task for them. Thus during the training this breed demonstrates a keen interest, is far from being stubborn, trying to execute all the commands to please the master.

I will repeat this again..

"Any feed back about this old standard size campare to modern size German Shepherds."

father of the breed is Max von Stephanitz. I think I stick with his Idea of a GSD.


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Father of the breed created smaller size vs. modern size right now.

Father of the breed creater 24 inch in height. (Modern German Shepherds up to 26 inch in height)
Sometimes you have to face the facts the improvements has been made from what Max von Stephanitz created.


You are simply speechless about diffrent standard size!!!!

Differencebetween the East European Shepherd and German Shepherd breeds.
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Everybody is free to have a personal opinion when choosing a breed - it is simply amatter of taste. We will consider the differences in appearance between the two breeds and will add a couple of words about the character and temper. The East  European Shepherd is bigger, wider and bulkier than the German Shepherd. Besides being tall, the East European Shepherd must have a massivebody structure.

Another point is wrist measurements (paw width). The East European Shepherd has massive paws and an average paw width of a good representative of the breed is far superior to that of the German Shepherd.

The upper body line of the East European Shepherd forms a smooth descending line, that is the withers of the dog is about 2-3 centimetres higher than the croup. The East European Shepherd"s upper body line (from thewithers to the croup) has a classic look - the withers being the highest point and the croup featuring the lowest position. However, the difference between the two point is quite slight. The German Shepherd features an arched back with a quite noticeable differences between the withers and the croup points. This is determined by the breed standards for the German Shepherd.

The German Shepherd is more suitable for a lengthy search work, for various sport high-speed competitions (agility tasks etc.). Despite the fact that the East European Shepherd has a perfect scent, the dog has a certain difficulty doing search work for several hours continuously due to its bulky size.

The East European Shepherd"s legs feature regular, proportional length so that thedog"s movements are productive and beautiful at the same time. The East European Shepherd breed standards do not require any superfluousbeauty with respect to the legs of the dog, while the German Shepherdbreed standards do. The East European Shepherd"s leg structure is highly functional, without any excess.

The main movement type for the German Shepherd is a "low spread trot with regular and parallel leg movements". It is notable in particular while moving at tight lead. The East European Shepherd"s movements are beautiful, smooth and productive. However, the dog does not feature a low and spread walk as that of the German Shepherd, yet it moves vigourously and steadily, often with its head high up.

The main difference between the two breeds is the temper! The German Shepherdis an ideal "sporting" dog, louder and more "joyful".The East European Shepherd has an equable temper, lively to the rightpoint, more "serious", especially male dogs.

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East-European shepherd is moderately long, above medium or rather large in size, with strong, but not coarse bone and well-developed dry, relief muscles.

Sexual dimorphism is well-expressed, male dogs are larger and heavier than female ones.

Proportional to the body, the head is massive and wedge-shaped. The forehead is slightly rounded. The stop is pronounced, but not abrupt. The muzzle is equal in length to the skull. The lower jaw is well-developed. The lips are tight, with good pigmentation. The nose is black and large. Their well-developed teeth close in a scissors bite. The teeth are large, in complete set (42 pieces according to the teeth formula). The incisor teeth are well lined. The eyes are medium, oval, obliquely set, dark, close fitting, with well-coloured eyelids. The ears are medium in size, high set, perfectly triangular with their points being upright and going slightly forward.

The back is strong, wide and long. The loin is short, broad, well muscled, slightly arched. The croup is wide, long, slightly sloping. The chest is moderately wide. The belly is reasonably tucked up. The tail is scimitar in form, reaching hocks in length or slightly longer. The legs are straight and strong, with good angulations. The feet are oval and compact. The coat is medium in length with well-developed undercoat.


Colours: Saddled (background from grey to fawn, good mask on head), the saddle can be very saturated, so that the dog can look close to black and tan. Black. Agouti: grey and red.


Temperament: The East-European shepherd is very loyal to its masters. It is balanced, confident and distrustful with strangers. Being an excellent guard dog, the East-European shepherd will protect its owners at all costs. This breed is a working dog and will be happy to have some job to do.


Height: Male is 26-30 inches (66-76 cm.) Female is 24-28 inches (61-72 cm.) A larger height is preferable.


Living Conditions: The East-European shepherds will feel comfortably in an apartment if daily exercise is sufficient. They can easily live outdoors even in cold climates.


Exercise: The East-European shepherd is a working breed and needs to be exercised properly. They need to be taken on daily, brisk, long walks or jogs.


Origin: This breed was created in 1930 as a working dog adapted for service in the Army and for agriculture needs in various climatic conditions. The East European Shepherd was created from the German Shepherds. The first standard which formed the breed type was approved in 1964 by the Cynologic Council of the Ministry of Agriculture of the USSR.


At the present moment some steps are being taken towards recognition of the breed by FCI.

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I won't get sucked in. 
I won't get sucked in.
I won't get sucked in.

What makes me happy is that people who argue with me before about oversize german shepherds are useless; end up wrong.

And AKC says modern size is up to 26 inch in height; but Eastern European lines is up to 30 inch in height and they are working line.

Bigger and not useless as you think!


One last thing!
People who argue with me before, I finaly put them to it's place!!!!!!!

Look people - they are bigger and not useless!!!!!

They have not such great drive, as GSD, not so quickly. They are calm. Many peoples like it.

The size isnt the total issue.

The reason they are so widely disreguard amongst the GSD communtity is this.IMHO.

Breeding for a specific trait such as color or size without thought of consequence is severely detremental to the breed.
Here in the US there are many so called breeders that advertise overlarge shepherds. Consequently enough, Size isn't
always better as many ignorant american's seem to think. When you diregard mental stability, and structural ability you almost always end up with disaster. These people are to be stayed away from at all costs and are doing the breed a diservice.

You also have to look at weight different. When you start clearing 100lbs the wear and tear on those dogs for the long term in sustained work is astronomical. Most would be retired from service in short days if they even had what it would take to pass all the assessments. Think of the pounding on there joints and structure. Its not good. 

Working abiltity. what are you basing this off of?

Look at the breeders who bred only for white shepherds. I have one that is a rescue now that is working. However he is in the .5% of white sheperds. They as a generalization tend to be mentaly and physically unsound. This is due to someone breeding for a specific trait with total dissregard for all others. Also you tread into the genetics aspect of breeding for recessive genes and such in which they are linking flaws to and so on and so forth. people dont think about!


Now if There are larger structured dogs whom are bred soundly meaning all aspects taken into consideration and are slightly above the norm then so be it. But just because eastern europe does it doesnt make it right. europe has done just as much of a diservice to the breed as anyone else IMO.

The day you show or anyone shows me the benefits of having a dog that size is the day i will retract my opinions on the matter.