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by DebiSue on 22 May 2009 - 16:05
Rowdy,
Of course you are welcome on this board.
Deb
by Mystere on 22 May 2009 - 16:05
Yes, of course you are welcome. My comment comes from frustration with people who say they want to learn....but only AFTER the fact. Quite simply, it seems to me that someone trying to learn about a dog's pedigree and background would do so BEFORE breeding. Knowing a pedigree is more than just learning whether the dog is show lines or working lines. Intelligent breeding means learning about the dogs behind yours, their traits, strengths and weaknesses, temperament, what they produced, etc. It means learning the same for the dogs behind them, too. That is how breeders know what to expect from a breeding, and whether weaknesses of their dog will in fact be "corrected," strengths complimented, etc. It is the way breeders learn about possible undesirable recessives and/or health issues.
You will find that those who actually train/title dogs are far more aware of what their dogs actually bring to the breeding table than those who simply know the names ("who" ) is behind their dogs. It helps one learn which characteristics of your dog are genetic and which are more probably products of enviornment.
We all had to start somewhere and each of us has made mistakes along the line, especially at the beginning. So, obviously, perhaps I should not be so impatient with those who appear to delay the learning process until after venturing into breeding. But, as Debisue and others point out, the shelters are full of the results of such good intentions.
JMHO
by Aqua on 22 May 2009 - 16:05
No, they're your dogs and that gives you the rare opportunity to manage how they procreate. You can't control with whom your kids are breeding, you aren't there when they do it and they're not likely to ask whether you approve of their breeding partner or give you the chance to research her or him.
As a dog owner who wants to be a breeder you do get those opportunities.
Your first step might be to investigate the GSD breed standard. You'll soon come across such acronyms as FCI and SV and, if you continue to pursue the education you say you're looking for, you'll find something called Koerung, the breed worthiness evaluation or breed survey.
Once you've come this far you'll learn that to be presented at a Koerung the animal has to have a show rating and a working title and from there, if you've paid attention and are taking this seriously, you'll figure out that this isn't "just" for sport or entertainment, the training and showing and titling people do with their GSDs, but that it has a goal and a purpose, namely to qualify their dogs for breeding.
Anybody can put a bitch and a dog together and make puppies. Few people, however, can improve the breed. It takes a huge amount of dedication and commitment to be a good steward of the breed. It takes enormous chunks of time and money to train, show, and title a dog in preparation for the breed survey.
You have a nice dog. Most of us do. Few of us breed our nice dogs. When we want or need another dog we look up people like Stephanie in Montana and get a rescue, a dog who's no longer useful to its previous owner and got dumped. Or a dog that didn't sell from the litter where two nice dogs got put together and the puppy maker can't keep them all. Or we research blood lines and the breeders who have them, who have carefully followed a breeding plan, have followed their progeny's successes and can thusly show that yes, their program does improve the breed.
Elsewhere you said you wanted a dog to help you around the farm. Why start from scratch and make one? Why not get one or two that are already here?
Or is it the money?
by Krazy Bout K9s on 22 May 2009 - 16:05
Here is a ditto of the post on the general site...Steph
"BTW Reiner,
Your dog is beautiful and I am glad she is working, I have lots of beautiful dogs here too...my own GSD I use moving cows, I used to show cutting horses also. Now I just help out on ranches...I have 3 gorgeous dogs from well know breeders, that the people paid anywhere from $2000 to $3500+, and then GAVE them up to rescue...the breeders did not want them back...
What I am trying to say that there are lots of good dogs out there in RESCUE that can and do work...rather than bringing more into this world because she is special to you...all these dogs were special to someone at some time...
Steph"
by DebiSue on 22 May 2009 - 17:05
Mystere and especially Aqua,
How elegently you put into words what is bouncing around inside my head. I tend to speak from my heart instead of my head so my feelings come across pretty blunt. My girl is my baby but I know she is a dog, not my kid. I would love to have puppies from her but that isn't going to happen. As much as I love her and think she is beautiful she should not be bred. I have been educated partially by this site and by meeting working line folks. She may be healthy and her drive is out of this world but I am seeing her in a new light and she has little to offer the breed. We didn't purchase her for breeding but as a companion and she is a delight in that category so I have what I wanted.
Stephanie, (a copy from the other site)
Thanks for your comments. I appreciate you understanding where I am coming from. I guess you and I need to invest in some rose colored glasses. Then we wouldn't see all the ugliness we have seen and continue to see which brings us down to earth and helps us deal with reality. I really appreciate all that you try to do and manage to do in spite of the circumstances. *PM me your address and I will gladly contribute to your cause. I challenge all other posters to the same.* I know most everyone on this site is good hearted and has the best intentions...but as they say...the road to hell is paved with good intentions and your home is filled with living proof of it.
Regards!
Deb
by Mystere on 22 May 2009 - 18:05
by Mystere on 22 May 2009 - 18:05
Obviously, the OP was not here to learn, but simply to seek validation for her actions. No one flame-broiled, skewered, or fried her, simply pointed out the obvious. Some folks simply are not too good at accepting responsibility for their own actions.
by Aqua on 22 May 2009 - 18:05
TSB = Insufficient.
by DebiSue on 22 May 2009 - 20:05
Ok, Aqua, I'll bite...what's TSB stand for?
by animules on 22 May 2009 - 22:05
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