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by Abby Normal on 13 July 2010 - 21:07
Edited to add something amusing - from a thread (on pdb) entitled Breed Improvement Suggestions (2008)
Videx suggested:
THE GSD BREED SURVEY TO BE "COMPULSORY"
AND ONLY "PASS GRADED" DOGS CAN BE USED FOR BREEDING.
Videx suggested:
THE GSD BREED SURVEY TO BE "COMPULSORY"
AND ONLY "PASS GRADED" DOGS CAN BE USED FOR BREEDING.
by t ruthurts on 13 July 2010 - 22:07
This thread has become silly but the facts remain the same Mr Videx the self proclaimed god of the GSD world allowed one of his stud dogs to be used on a bitch with a hip score of 48. Whilst preaching to others about health tests.
Perhaps you should update your website with the phrase DO AS I SAY NOT AS I DO
T.ruthurts
Perhaps you should update your website with the phrase DO AS I SAY NOT AS I DO
T.ruthurts
by Videx on 13 July 2010 - 22:07
T. Ruthurts
why don't you answer my question - you obviously have some serious problems with your GSD to hide!
why don't you answer my question - you obviously have some serious problems with your GSD to hide!
by ChrissiDrake on 14 July 2010 - 08:07
Abbynormal by saying all imported dogs with foreign surveys should also pass a UK survey, you must believe the UK survey to carry the same credibility ( in comparison ) as foreign surveys when it's crystal clear the UK survey pass requirements have been engineered in such a way that barring 'very rare cases' all dogs entered get passed as suitable for breeding !. Member proudly wrote that since the starting of the UK surveys the hip score requirement has been brought down from 35 to 20 ............ this is only one part of it so the rest of the requirements share a similar importance , now that is a concern in itself , it appears to have taken well over 15 years to change from 35 to 20 !, if this is correct ?, I cannot envisage there being any significant improvement happening soon enough to improve or save the gsd breed. The UK breed survey class.1 acceptance of an elbow score of 2 is ludicrous when the maximum score is 3 !. The British Veterinary Association advise only to breed from scores of 0 or 1 which is blatantly being ignored by the very people who plead they have the breed at heart !. To use the term 'Rome wasnt built in a day' is pathetic. Rome wasnt a living animal producing a mass of ever increasing health issues that need addressing ASAP !!!.
by Abby Normal on 14 July 2010 - 12:07
Chrissidrake
I totally agree, but at the moment the British Survey is all there is. You will have noted that I questioned where the results of breed surveys done in the UK are available to be scrutinised, as I believe it may have been yourself that raised the fact that some higher than acceptable hip scores were being passed in the surveys.
No I am not convinced of the credibility of the UK Breed Survey as yet, and it is more than possible that the 'dice' has been loaded in favour of virtually every dog passing, which makes a mockery of the whole thing. The element I was looking at (which can be done) was to address the apparent mis-match of certain health results and ensure that a passing grade in Germany was also a passing grade in the UK (healthwise) - double indemnity if you will. The credibility of the survey is definitely a separate issue which needs to be looked at.
The situation with elbow scores I agree is an absolute disgrace, and many have voiced similar concerns. Not for a minute do I buy the statement by member. I am more inclined to believe that breeders are concerned that they may find some valuable dogs excluded when they have to score. If anything I think elbows are more important than hips, so to go to the upper limit is definitely not for the betterment of the breed, but as ever to the betterment of the breeder.
I totally agree, but at the moment the British Survey is all there is. You will have noted that I questioned where the results of breed surveys done in the UK are available to be scrutinised, as I believe it may have been yourself that raised the fact that some higher than acceptable hip scores were being passed in the surveys.
No I am not convinced of the credibility of the UK Breed Survey as yet, and it is more than possible that the 'dice' has been loaded in favour of virtually every dog passing, which makes a mockery of the whole thing. The element I was looking at (which can be done) was to address the apparent mis-match of certain health results and ensure that a passing grade in Germany was also a passing grade in the UK (healthwise) - double indemnity if you will. The credibility of the survey is definitely a separate issue which needs to be looked at.
The situation with elbow scores I agree is an absolute disgrace, and many have voiced similar concerns. Not for a minute do I buy the statement by member. I am more inclined to believe that breeders are concerned that they may find some valuable dogs excluded when they have to score. If anything I think elbows are more important than hips, so to go to the upper limit is definitely not for the betterment of the breed, but as ever to the betterment of the breeder.
by Mark3 on 14 July 2010 - 13:07
Given that a dog's weight bearing limbs are on the front, (for those that don’t believe this, check out your dog's paws, you will see that the front pads are larger and more developed than the hind and consider that the front supports the weight of the head and shoulders) and a dog can often cope with imperfect hip joints if it's musculature in the pelvic area is strong, elbow dysplasia often causes faster development of severe arthritis and has the potential to be far more devastating to a dog's quality of life and to the breed in general.
by rattenmaier on 14 July 2010 - 21:07
Lord Pain
You may well be the genius you proclaim yourself to be. You may well be the only person you know not being an idiot... but yet, I still consider you one of the idlest specimens of humanity I ever came across. Don't you possess ANY decency? Your manners are beyond commentary. Please reconsider and take some lessons in human skills, then people might perhaps appreciate your knowledge...
Wishing you all the best
Hans
(NOT anonymous...)
You may well be the genius you proclaim yourself to be. You may well be the only person you know not being an idiot... but yet, I still consider you one of the idlest specimens of humanity I ever came across. Don't you possess ANY decency? Your manners are beyond commentary. Please reconsider and take some lessons in human skills, then people might perhaps appreciate your knowledge...
Wishing you all the best
Hans
(NOT anonymous...)
by t ruthurts on 14 July 2010 - 22:07
Mr videx In answer to your Questions.
I do not have a web site
I do not breed
I own two GSDs both rescued.
I do attend many shows and care about the welfare of this breed.
you claim to have 35 years of knowledge and experience perhaps you can tell us all HOW MANY CHAMPIONS YOU HAVE BRED? As being so knowledgeable I am sure it must be numerous although I can only find one.
T.Ruthurts
I do not have a web site
I do not breed
I own two GSDs both rescued.
I do attend many shows and care about the welfare of this breed.
you claim to have 35 years of knowledge and experience perhaps you can tell us all HOW MANY CHAMPIONS YOU HAVE BRED? As being so knowledgeable I am sure it must be numerous although I can only find one.
T.Ruthurts
by pencil on 15 July 2010 - 11:07
He doesn't even train those he BUYS in, HIMSELF !
Sadly it's all about that thing called CASH ( and I dont mean Johnny ) !!!!!!!
Sadly it's all about that thing called CASH ( and I dont mean Johnny ) !!!!!!!
by PATTERSON on 15 July 2010 - 11:07
Pencil
I think you have hit the nail on the head.
T. Ruthurts
With such a wealth of knowledge and a good breeding stratigy he should have been able to produce , by his own lines, more than one. He must try harder.
Patterson
I think you have hit the nail on the head.
T. Ruthurts
With such a wealth of knowledge and a good breeding stratigy he should have been able to produce , by his own lines, more than one. He must try harder.
Patterson
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