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by 1doggie2 on 23 July 2010 - 04:07
Hans if it was not for the fact she still has your pup, I would thank the lady, you have stood behind your pup, you have alot of people on this board who are willing to step forward on a Board where the "fur" can fly very fast about alot of breeders. This is good advertising, very impressive.
by charlie319 on 23 July 2010 - 13:07
My whole take on this is that there is more at play here than just a disgruntled consumer. Hans has been more than accomodating yet there is no perceived intent on the buyer's part to resolve the issue. The buyer is not happy, the pup is not wanted, and Hans has a headache. My, does missery love company...
BTW, the pup on the pics looks fine. My male is about 40% DDR & Czech working bloodlines and he's been slow to grow and mature. This seems to be normal with a lot of these dogs.
BTW, the pup on the pics looks fine. My male is about 40% DDR & Czech working bloodlines and he's been slow to grow and mature. This seems to be normal with a lot of these dogs.
by GSDPACK on 23 July 2010 - 15:07
What makes me sick is when people start sniffing in other's privacy... that is just plain wackooo.......
Mrs Sonia, return the puppy and stop this crap... you will get you $$ back.
On this forum you presented yourself as an unstable story creating weirdo. Sorry but there is nothing wrong with the pictures of the puppy and the breeder is behind his work all the way....
You lost not only your case but also credibility and integity. Good people who are breeders with any common sence and knowlege of this fiasco, will never sell you a puppy.
So the ball is in your court..
Good luck Hans I would be one pissed off person if that was my puppy....
Pack
by Krazy Bout K9s on 23 July 2010 - 15:07
Someone near where this Sonja B**** lives, needs to go and get the Humane Society or Sheriff on her doorstep to check out the condition of HER kennel and living situation for HER dogs...and get that pup out of there before it gets anymore bad food and worms in its body and CAN'T grow!!!!
If I had the money to travel that far from Montana here I would do it myself, and I would take the time to do it, this is absolutely the most idiotic accusation I have heard in a long time!!!
EVERYONE HAD BETTER PUT THIS LADY ON THEIR DNA LIST!!!!
Sorry Hans,
Steph
If I had the money to travel that far from Montana here I would do it myself, and I would take the time to do it, this is absolutely the most idiotic accusation I have heard in a long time!!!
EVERYONE HAD BETTER PUT THIS LADY ON THEIR DNA LIST!!!!
Sorry Hans,
Steph
by Prager on 23 July 2010 - 16:07
HOOKWORM
Here, as is my nature, I have done some study on hookworm distribution in the world. The hookworm in question is a worm called in Latin: Necator americanus. I have found this map in several scientific studies. Please take note that this hookworm is not distributed in Arizona or in entire Europe where the mother of the pup came from, but it is distributed in Ohio. Thus there is a little to none chance tha my pup got the hookworm here or his mother in Czech as Sonia insinuates in her statements. With little geographical knowledge you should be able to figure it out.
http://www.isradiology.org/tropical_deseases/tmcr/chapter12/geographical.htm
http://books.google.com/books?id=b3_RMZl464cC&pg=PA52&lpg=PA51&ots=7rlP2CIEJw&dq=hookworm+geographical+spread+in+usa#v=onepage&q&f=false
Prager Hans
http://www.AlpineK9.com
Here, as is my nature, I have done some study on hookworm distribution in the world. The hookworm in question is a worm called in Latin: Necator americanus. I have found this map in several scientific studies. Please take note that this hookworm is not distributed in Arizona or in entire Europe where the mother of the pup came from, but it is distributed in Ohio. Thus there is a little to none chance tha my pup got the hookworm here or his mother in Czech as Sonia insinuates in her statements. With little geographical knowledge you should be able to figure it out.
http://www.isradiology.org/tropical_deseases/tmcr/chapter12/geographical.htm
http://books.google.com/books?id=b3_RMZl464cC&pg=PA52&lpg=PA51&ots=7rlP2CIEJw&dq=hookworm+geographical+spread+in+usa#v=onepage&q&f=false
Prager Hans
http://www.AlpineK9.com
by Krazy Bout K9s on 23 July 2010 - 16:07
Nobody is questioning you Hans, you have proven yourself over time, this ShilohGD Rescue person is also giving a BAD name to the GSD Rescue effort as well...I may have to go after her myself <G>
I am originally from Minnesota and hookworms were prevailant there also. I fed up a litter of wolf pups that I received from a game farm there, that all had hooks, the mom eventually died from them, it only took me about 2 weeks of worming to get rid of them, they were so heavily infested!!! They grew up to be large and beautiful wolves, with continued good food...
Only 2 weeks and no worms returned after that, because they were kept clean....hmmm, must be this Shiloh person does not have clean facilities????
STeph
Montana GSD Rescue
I am originally from Minnesota and hookworms were prevailant there also. I fed up a litter of wolf pups that I received from a game farm there, that all had hooks, the mom eventually died from them, it only took me about 2 weeks of worming to get rid of them, they were so heavily infested!!! They grew up to be large and beautiful wolves, with continued good food...
Only 2 weeks and no worms returned after that, because they were kept clean....hmmm, must be this Shiloh person does not have clean facilities????
STeph
Montana GSD Rescue
by mkwellborn on 23 July 2010 - 19:07
I love Wikipedia:
A delusion, in everyday language, is a fixed belief that is either false, fanciful, or derived from deception. Psychiatry defines the term more specifically as a belief that is pathological (the result of an illness or illness process). As a pathology, it is distinct from a belief based on false or incomplete information, dogma, stupidity, apperception, illusion, or other effects of perception.
Delusions typically occur in the context of neurological or mental illness, although they are not tied to any particular disease and have been found to occur in the context of many pathological states (both physical and mental). However, they are of particular diagnostic importance in psychotic disorders and particularly in schizophrenia, paraphrenia, manic episodes of bipolar disorder, and psychotic depression.
Defamation—also called calumny, vilification, slander (for transitory statements), and libel (for written, broadcast, or otherwise published words)—is the communication of a statement that makes a claim, expressly stated or implied to be factual, that may give an individual, business, product, group, government, or nation a negative image. It is usually, but not always,[1] a requirement that this claim be false and that the publication is communicated to someone other than the person defamed (the claimant).
In common law jurisdictions, slander refers to a malicious, false and defamatory spoken statement or report, while libel refers to any other form of communication such as written words or images. Most jurisdictions allow legal actions, civil and/or criminal, to deter various kinds of defamation and retaliate against groundless criticism. Related to defamation is public disclosure of private facts, which arises where one person reveals information that is not of public concern, and the release of which would offend a reasonable person. "Unlike [with] libel, truth is not a defense for invasion of privacy."[2]
False light laws are "intended primarily to protect the plaintiff's mental or emotional well-being."[3] If a publication of information is false, then a tort of defamation might have occurred. If that communication is not technically false but is still misleading, then a tort of false light might have occurred.[3]
>>> I really hope that Miss Sonia has thought clearly about what she's trying to accomplish by posting the things she has in reference to not only Hans but his fiance'. I find it odd (as you all have mention) that her purpose does not seem to simply be compensated for her (in my humble opinion IMAGINED) losses but rather to slander Alpine, Hans and his fiance'.
I don't know if you realize Sonia but you could really be in EXTREMELY BOILING HOT WATER FOR THIS!
You know what's funny is that this has turned out to work in Hans favor.
BTW... this pup has what looks like it will be a close-stock coat which makes him appear slimmer than alot of other gsd pups who have a normal stock coat or even one that is on the fuller side. I might add that he is gangly in appearance so that tells me he has room to grow. Dwarfism would produce dwarf-like proportions (ie Welsh Corgi.. oompa loompa's etc..) Pituatary Dwarfism will make perfect proportions. This pup has puppy paws and legs. he just appears to be close-stock coat, and maybe even more of a petite-gsd. What's wrong with that. I mean heck, dogs are three times as strong as their weight... say he turns out to be 60 pounds (siberian husky size) he will be as strong as a 180 pd man!!!
Also, you haven't even mentioned anything about his temperment and drives. Doesn't that tempermant count for something?? Ahh, what do
A delusion, in everyday language, is a fixed belief that is either false, fanciful, or derived from deception. Psychiatry defines the term more specifically as a belief that is pathological (the result of an illness or illness process). As a pathology, it is distinct from a belief based on false or incomplete information, dogma, stupidity, apperception, illusion, or other effects of perception.
Delusions typically occur in the context of neurological or mental illness, although they are not tied to any particular disease and have been found to occur in the context of many pathological states (both physical and mental). However, they are of particular diagnostic importance in psychotic disorders and particularly in schizophrenia, paraphrenia, manic episodes of bipolar disorder, and psychotic depression.
Defamation—also called calumny, vilification, slander (for transitory statements), and libel (for written, broadcast, or otherwise published words)—is the communication of a statement that makes a claim, expressly stated or implied to be factual, that may give an individual, business, product, group, government, or nation a negative image. It is usually, but not always,[1] a requirement that this claim be false and that the publication is communicated to someone other than the person defamed (the claimant).
In common law jurisdictions, slander refers to a malicious, false and defamatory spoken statement or report, while libel refers to any other form of communication such as written words or images. Most jurisdictions allow legal actions, civil and/or criminal, to deter various kinds of defamation and retaliate against groundless criticism. Related to defamation is public disclosure of private facts, which arises where one person reveals information that is not of public concern, and the release of which would offend a reasonable person. "Unlike [with] libel, truth is not a defense for invasion of privacy."[2]
False light laws are "intended primarily to protect the plaintiff's mental or emotional well-being."[3] If a publication of information is false, then a tort of defamation might have occurred. If that communication is not technically false but is still misleading, then a tort of false light might have occurred.[3]
>>> I really hope that Miss Sonia has thought clearly about what she's trying to accomplish by posting the things she has in reference to not only Hans but his fiance'. I find it odd (as you all have mention) that her purpose does not seem to simply be compensated for her (in my humble opinion IMAGINED) losses but rather to slander Alpine, Hans and his fiance'.
I don't know if you realize Sonia but you could really be in EXTREMELY BOILING HOT WATER FOR THIS!
You know what's funny is that this has turned out to work in Hans favor.
BTW... this pup has what looks like it will be a close-stock coat which makes him appear slimmer than alot of other gsd pups who have a normal stock coat or even one that is on the fuller side. I might add that he is gangly in appearance so that tells me he has room to grow. Dwarfism would produce dwarf-like proportions (ie Welsh Corgi.. oompa loompa's etc..) Pituatary Dwarfism will make perfect proportions. This pup has puppy paws and legs. he just appears to be close-stock coat, and maybe even more of a petite-gsd. What's wrong with that. I mean heck, dogs are three times as strong as their weight... say he turns out to be 60 pounds (siberian husky size) he will be as strong as a 180 pd man!!!
Also, you haven't even mentioned anything about his temperment and drives. Doesn't that tempermant count for something?? Ahh, what do
by snajper69 on 23 July 2010 - 19:07
I don't know maybe my eyes are going bad but this looked like a health GSD. You need to get your head checked out, why would you drag someone’s name through the mud? What his gf/wife personal info has to do with this situation? She has a ding on her name? Almost any one I know has some kind of ding on their name. Its called shit happens in life. Hans offer you to refund your money, what more do you want? Why should he refund you money and let you keep the dog as well? It just dose not work that way. You need the dog for evidence? No court will let you bring the dog as evidence the only thing you need is a report from your vet you idiot. BTW you will take him to court and say what “your honor I want him to refund me my money and let me keep the dog as well” lol hahahahaha
by mkwellborn on 23 July 2010 - 20:07
I know it snaiper! I mean, "pay me to keep your dog and slander you (the DOG) and your families character!!" Please pay me to be a crazy and keep your well bred dog!
by Prager on 23 July 2010 - 22:07
Hey all of you guys and gals on PDB
This is Debbie and I want to thank you all for your input here. Even though we always knew that we didn't do anything wrong, and that we were doing the right thing in the way we were trying to handle her, it is nice to have this support. I am a very sensitive person and she was really upsetting me. In that way I guess she was winning. They say (whoever they are) that you should not let these kinds of people get to you, but it is really hard when someone is insulting your very being. We live and breathe these dogs 24-7. I hand raised that litter of 13.....I would go out all times of the day and night and make sure that everybody got their fair share of mom's milk. This is not just our hobby but our living. As we all know it is hard enough to make a living without someone trying to destroy it with false accusations. Fortunately as many of you have pointed out I think these lemons are turning to lemonade!!!!! Again thanks so much!!!! You guys have turned the tears of anger and sadness into tears of joy and heartfelt happiness with these great posts!!!!
Debbie
This is Debbie and I want to thank you all for your input here. Even though we always knew that we didn't do anything wrong, and that we were doing the right thing in the way we were trying to handle her, it is nice to have this support. I am a very sensitive person and she was really upsetting me. In that way I guess she was winning. They say (whoever they are) that you should not let these kinds of people get to you, but it is really hard when someone is insulting your very being. We live and breathe these dogs 24-7. I hand raised that litter of 13.....I would go out all times of the day and night and make sure that everybody got their fair share of mom's milk. This is not just our hobby but our living. As we all know it is hard enough to make a living without someone trying to destroy it with false accusations. Fortunately as many of you have pointed out I think these lemons are turning to lemonade!!!!! Again thanks so much!!!! You guys have turned the tears of anger and sadness into tears of joy and heartfelt happiness with these great posts!!!!
Debbie
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