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by joseph123 on 18 July 2010 - 05:07

What an absolutely gorgeous male. WOW! Very pleasing to the eye. This guy is still for sale?

Sincerely,

Joseph

leciesters doghandler

by leciesters doghandler on 18 July 2010 - 08:07

shame on you prager did not see her wanting  a freebie

AmbiiGSD

by AmbiiGSD on 18 July 2010 - 09:07

Wow that sounds familiar :S

Sunsilver

by Sunsilver on 18 July 2010 - 12:07

It is hard to get to really know people on the database, but if a person posts enough, the personality does start to show through. Also, there are others here who have met Hans in person, and speak highly of him.

When I first read this post, I thought, 'This does NOT sound like something Prager would do. What's going on here??"

And now we know... 

Thank you, Hans, for justifying my faith in you!

I, too, purchased a puppy from an imported parent which did not yet have AKC registration. It took the breeder NINE MONTHS to get the registration straightened out, and send me the papers!

Soinia is just going to have to learn to be patient!

Prager

by Prager on 18 July 2010 - 12:07

Here are pictures of the other "sick" pups from the same litter taken about  at the same days after Sonia's pup had been  shipped.  "

Prager

by Prager on 18 July 2010 - 13:07

Here is a e mail from one of my customers who have seen and wanted to buy the pup in question:
Hans
I am writing regarding my recent experience with Alpine K9. I visited Alpine on May 21st of this year while in Phoenix on business. I was looking for a Shepherd puppy and had heard about Alpine's reputation for excellent pups. I rented a car and drove an hour to the kennel. I was greeted by Debbie and she was very friendly and helpful.

I was looking for an all black puppy and was most interested in the Bryta v. Jago litter. There was only one black puppy in the litter and I observed him to be upbeat, lively and very engaged. Debbie informed me that the black puppy was already sold. I then focused on another dark sable puppy who was very warm and seemed to have a lot of drive.

I went with the dark sable puppy and he was shipped to me approximately 1.5 weeks later. He arrived in good shape and has settled into my house nicely. My protection trainer recognized immediately that I had a great pup on my hands - he commented on the level of drive apparent in the pup even at ten weeks old.
 
I have been very happy with my pup and experience with Alpine. As a partner in a litigation law firm here in Atlanta, I have grown to hold those I transact business with to a high standard. Alpine has thus far been great to deal with - you and Debbie have been responsive, detailed and your passion for what you do is apparent. I would recommend Alpine to anyone who is serious about getting a great working Shepherd.

Regards,
V...


Prager Hans
http://www.alpinek9.com



Prager

by Prager on 18 July 2010 - 14:07

By the way; I have send Sonia the pup on exactly the day requested by her. Sonia never picked up her phone when we call her on several times in 3 days. Thus we were forced to leave  her a message. 
I can answer every point of her accusation here. But I have other things to do than to spend all my time answering a pack of lies. 
I will make this statement here. 
1. Come and visit me at any time. I'll show you my facility, my dogs, my training, my pups. I am an open book. Many people from all over the world and LEO and other  customers  visited here and were impressed and  welcomed and so will you.
2. If you personally want me to, then I will answer any of the concerns. I'll be happy to do it via phone or e mail or personal conversation.
3. I can document that any of the convoluted statements are untrue and vicious attacks on me in order for the person Sonia to extricate a money and keep the pup.  She stated that herself.
4. Pup was shipped healthy just like all the other pups. Had been immunized up to date and routinely dewormed 3 x and had vet's health certificate. Pup is not a dwarf. I have never produced a dwarf! Pup in question is one of the 13 (!) pups in the litter thus they were not giants.
5. Sheriff was here 2x upon 2 Sonia's requests and one of them stated that this is a better facility than they have seen in a long time. They also checked all the dogs and pups here.  They canceled all investigations of my facility and warn Sonia not to make other  false reports or they will charge her with false police reporting. She called them "good old boys" and that she was not taken seriously because she is a women even so one of the sheriff investigators  was a woman. Can you imagine that Sheriff Joe Arpaio of AZ fame would give pass to anyone abusing animals?! He is world  famous for not doing that and is famous for criminally charging dog abuse and neglect.   Remeber Michael Vick?
6. Pups are fed here home cooked meals of meat, pasta , sea salt and raw vegetables every day. Pups are kept athletic shape and thin in order to ward possible HD.
This based on studies which are listed in a book : Canine Hip Dysplasia and other Orthopedic Disorders by Fred Lanting. 
By the way I highly recommend the book and am selling it on my website. Sorry for the shameless plug:-))) 
See the pictures above. 

 
Enough said.   
 Prager Hans
http://www.alpinek9.com 
 

by Ibrahim on 18 July 2010 - 14:07

Hi,

This is a very sad thread indeed, I was unhappy reading throught it. Untrue accusation is a dangerous thing on all of us as it may tend to drive some to quit believing in others whom they think are true GSD lovers, transparent, knowledgable and trustworthy. Some of the members became just like family and it does hurt to read bad things about them especially whe untrue.
It does matter more really when the accused is a valuable contribuoter of rich knowledge and is a breeder or trainer. I do not know Hans in person but he became dear through his contributions on this messageboard just like many others who I either take as friends or look to as respectable people such as: Steve1, Debi Sue, Bea, GSDPACK, LAVK9, Silbersee, Mobjack, Cage, Bob McKown, AandA, VomMarischal, Sonora, Jeysalem, Rania,Tarek Allam, GSDalways, Jessie James, Gustav, Slamdunc, Shezam1, Pharaoh, Sunsilver, beetree, TESSJ10, JRANSOM, crhuerta ......... that is only to name few. I wouldn't easily believe claims on any one of them easily, and if falsely accused I will be more than dirty towards the accuser. Let's not be easy on accusations without proof or false ones especially from the unknown.

I do not believe Prager is a cheat.

Regards
Ibrahim

by malshep on 18 July 2010 - 14:07

I have only heard good things about Hans, he is very willing to pass his knowledge on to others. This customer sounds like her elevator does not go all the way to the top.
Always,
Cee

by bazza on 18 July 2010 - 15:07

Hans, Don't know you personally, and we will never meet but what you post here at all times is someone who is very knowledgeable about the breed, dedicated and honest. I have read here of others who have met you, been to your kennels and had nothing but praise. The sable puppy you linked to here I have already looked at many times and would have that puppy in a heartbeat. The puppies shown above including the OP look extremely healthy and well taken care of. This is the first time I have ever heard anyone say anything negative about you, your dogs or care of your dogs. I find it disgusting that a man of your commitment feels he has to justify the OP vile comments, HANS I do not think you have to justify yourself to anyone here, I believe we all admire your dedication to your dogs and breeding. Enough said!! The op has given no proof of her accusations best to ignore.





 


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