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by Love2track on 27 July 2009 - 16:07
Sorry now all i have to do is learn how to use this message board ::laughing my butt off:::
Please be gentle with me I am just a baby!
Love2
by crhuerta on 28 July 2009 - 03:07
HAHAHAHAHAHa........OMG.....how many posts got "stuck"??? HAHAHAHAHAHA
Laughing my a** off!
Love2....I'll watch for your "2cents".......I'm 2cents short of a "buck" right now!....
I HATE to track.....God bless you!
Robin
Laughing my a** off!
Love2....I'll watch for your "2cents".......I'm 2cents short of a "buck" right now!....
I HATE to track.....God bless you!
Robin
by Rik on 28 July 2009 - 03:07
Robin, I hate to track also.
When I get finshed with puppy track, my back hurts, my shirt is wet with sweat and I can only think, "damn, this is like work". I wonder if I am doing something wrong.
It is by far my least favorite part of training.
Best,
Rik
When I get finshed with puppy track, my back hurts, my shirt is wet with sweat and I can only think, "damn, this is like work". I wonder if I am doing something wrong.
It is by far my least favorite part of training.
Best,
Rik
by yellowrose of Texas on 28 July 2009 - 05:07
at least you are still laughing., more than I am >>>>>
by Sunsilver on 28 July 2009 - 05:07
Yes, you need to move to a cooler climate! LOL!
I LOVE to track! It's the part of dog sport that reminds me the most of my horseback riding days, where you were constantly focused on the horse, to 'read' its body language.
I set a real challenge for the dogs tonight. I had them track at the local fairgrounds where there'd been a horse show on the weekend. It's important for them to learn to ignore the smell of animal poop and pee, especiailly in the northern wilds here, where most fields have poop from deer or other wild animals. They did better tonight than last night, so they are learning. Okay...baiting the track helped!
To answer questions upstream...I apologize for doing this, but I don't want people to think I'm dodging them either...
1) I have already stated what I'm doing with my dogs: tracking and obedience. I would be doing agility if I hadn't screwed my foot up.
2) I have owned GSD's since 1983. Star is my first registered dog. She was sold to me as a prospective show dog and brood bitch. It turns out she's neither, so I just had her spayed. She's mildly dysplastic in the one hip. My other dogs have been rescues, so I could not show them, as Canada only very recently got the equivalent of the ILP number (Performance Event Number, or PEN.) I did complete the equivalent of a TDX with the dog in my sig, who had a really incredible nose! The others got basic obedience, learned to jump obstacles, learned to find family members on command, and ride in a canoe without tipping it
3) I am severely hard of hearing, so I've trained my most recent rescue to be my hearing ear dog. He has public access training, and has also been trained to alert me to the alarm clock, smoke alarm, kitchen timer and door. I'm working on having him alert me to someone calling my name, and to the phone ringing. Except for training him to alert to the door, I have done all of the training myself.
3) I am doing everything possible to increase my knowledge of dogs. I read Kohler's books back when I adopted my first GSD. I have both Fred Lanting's books, and too many other books to list. I attend nearby shows. I have taken part in obedience, agility preparation and show handling classes. I ask questions and search and read stuff on the net. There are several very experienced dog people I can rely on to answer questions by e-mail, though some of them are not GSD people. Unfortuantely, there's no one who breeds Shepherds who lives close enough to me to be a mentor, and this was true even when I lived closer to Toronto!
4) All of this is totally irrelevant to the fact that Gina does not open her shoulder properly when gaiting, and, as a result, lifts her front end. Anyone who is not totally blind can easily see that from the video I posted. According to the GSD breed standard, lifting the paws that high is wasting energy and is wrong. If you watch the other videos on that page, you will see other well known dogs doing it too, even though they have a better reach with the shoulder than Gina.
Should the judges have penalized Gina for this, and not chosen her as Seigerein? It's not my place to comment on this. There are many other factors that influenced that decision, such as her excellent bitework. (Do they judge the progeny for the bitches, as they do for the sieger? Then, that would have been another factor.)
I do know this, though. The dog fancy is a funny world. Breed standards are constantly changing. Even if the standard doesn't change, the dogs often do. Fads come and go. For instance, the latest fad in the Labrador retriever fancy is to show the dogs about 10 lbs. overweight!
I LOVE to track! It's the part of dog sport that reminds me the most of my horseback riding days, where you were constantly focused on the horse, to 'read' its body language.
I set a real challenge for the dogs tonight. I had them track at the local fairgrounds where there'd been a horse show on the weekend. It's important for them to learn to ignore the smell of animal poop and pee, especiailly in the northern wilds here, where most fields have poop from deer or other wild animals. They did better tonight than last night, so they are learning. Okay...baiting the track helped!
To answer questions upstream...I apologize for doing this, but I don't want people to think I'm dodging them either...
1) I have already stated what I'm doing with my dogs: tracking and obedience. I would be doing agility if I hadn't screwed my foot up.
2) I have owned GSD's since 1983. Star is my first registered dog. She was sold to me as a prospective show dog and brood bitch. It turns out she's neither, so I just had her spayed. She's mildly dysplastic in the one hip. My other dogs have been rescues, so I could not show them, as Canada only very recently got the equivalent of the ILP number (Performance Event Number, or PEN.) I did complete the equivalent of a TDX with the dog in my sig, who had a really incredible nose! The others got basic obedience, learned to jump obstacles, learned to find family members on command, and ride in a canoe without tipping it
3) I am severely hard of hearing, so I've trained my most recent rescue to be my hearing ear dog. He has public access training, and has also been trained to alert me to the alarm clock, smoke alarm, kitchen timer and door. I'm working on having him alert me to someone calling my name, and to the phone ringing. Except for training him to alert to the door, I have done all of the training myself.
3) I am doing everything possible to increase my knowledge of dogs. I read Kohler's books back when I adopted my first GSD. I have both Fred Lanting's books, and too many other books to list. I attend nearby shows. I have taken part in obedience, agility preparation and show handling classes. I ask questions and search and read stuff on the net. There are several very experienced dog people I can rely on to answer questions by e-mail, though some of them are not GSD people. Unfortuantely, there's no one who breeds Shepherds who lives close enough to me to be a mentor, and this was true even when I lived closer to Toronto!
4) All of this is totally irrelevant to the fact that Gina does not open her shoulder properly when gaiting, and, as a result, lifts her front end. Anyone who is not totally blind can easily see that from the video I posted. According to the GSD breed standard, lifting the paws that high is wasting energy and is wrong. If you watch the other videos on that page, you will see other well known dogs doing it too, even though they have a better reach with the shoulder than Gina.
Should the judges have penalized Gina for this, and not chosen her as Seigerein? It's not my place to comment on this. There are many other factors that influenced that decision, such as her excellent bitework. (Do they judge the progeny for the bitches, as they do for the sieger? Then, that would have been another factor.)
I do know this, though. The dog fancy is a funny world. Breed standards are constantly changing. Even if the standard doesn't change, the dogs often do. Fads come and go. For instance, the latest fad in the Labrador retriever fancy is to show the dogs about 10 lbs. overweight!
by Sunsilver on 28 July 2009 - 05:07
A truly fit lab, muscled the way it was meant to be from hours of swimming and retrieving, would most likely find itself at the back of the class in a conformation show.
The latest fad in the GSD show world is the roach back, and along with it, this elevated, high-stepping front end. Like the gait of the American show GSD's, it presents a very pretty picture, and is beautiful to watch. (Okay YMMV, if you don't like American style GSD's...) Is it correct, though? Does it benefit the dog, and the breed?
The justification for the roach was that it created a stronger back, like the arch of a bridge. I e-mailed Fred Lanting, who has seen more generations of GSD's come and go than most of us on this board, and he told me it was a myth. Yes, a dog with a long back will tire more quickly, but if the length of the back is within proper proportions, a dog with a straight back will endure hours of trotting just as well as one with a roached back.
I came across an interesting article by a long-time CKC all-breed judge in the Dogs In Canada magazine. I can't lay my hands on it at the moment, but what he said was very interesting. He has seen many changes in the different breeds over the years, and, from studying the history of the breeds he judges, knows that many of them do not look like the original foundation dogs. (Gee, that sounds familiar for some reason....) I think this article was written in the aftermath of the BBC program on purebred dogs, and he talked about some of these breeds, and how breeding for the show ring had damaged their health. He concluded that any changes in a dog breed that are deleterious to it performing the work which it was ORIGINALLY bred to do are wrong, and harmful to the breed as a whole. Dog breeders need to take a good, hard look at what they are doing to their dogs when they breed them for the show ring.
So, go back and look at that video of Dingo gaiting, and compare it with Gina. Which dog do you think best represents the breed standard? If you don't think it's Gina, then is it possible that the German showline dogs are headed in the wrong direction?
This is just my opinion, and you know what they say about opinions...they're like assholes, everyone has one... but I know there are others with much more experience in the breed who agree with me.
I guess being an outsider, a newcomer to the show world actually helps me see things others don't, because they've become so used to them. Why is this dog built this way? Why is it different from that dog, or the dogs of 20 or 30 years ago? And, most important of all: ARE THE CHANGES REALLY BENEFITTING THE BREED??
The latest fad in the GSD show world is the roach back, and along with it, this elevated, high-stepping front end. Like the gait of the American show GSD's, it presents a very pretty picture, and is beautiful to watch. (Okay YMMV, if you don't like American style GSD's...) Is it correct, though? Does it benefit the dog, and the breed?
The justification for the roach was that it created a stronger back, like the arch of a bridge. I e-mailed Fred Lanting, who has seen more generations of GSD's come and go than most of us on this board, and he told me it was a myth. Yes, a dog with a long back will tire more quickly, but if the length of the back is within proper proportions, a dog with a straight back will endure hours of trotting just as well as one with a roached back.
I came across an interesting article by a long-time CKC all-breed judge in the Dogs In Canada magazine. I can't lay my hands on it at the moment, but what he said was very interesting. He has seen many changes in the different breeds over the years, and, from studying the history of the breeds he judges, knows that many of them do not look like the original foundation dogs. (Gee, that sounds familiar for some reason....) I think this article was written in the aftermath of the BBC program on purebred dogs, and he talked about some of these breeds, and how breeding for the show ring had damaged their health. He concluded that any changes in a dog breed that are deleterious to it performing the work which it was ORIGINALLY bred to do are wrong, and harmful to the breed as a whole. Dog breeders need to take a good, hard look at what they are doing to their dogs when they breed them for the show ring.
So, go back and look at that video of Dingo gaiting, and compare it with Gina. Which dog do you think best represents the breed standard? If you don't think it's Gina, then is it possible that the German showline dogs are headed in the wrong direction?
This is just my opinion, and you know what they say about opinions...they're like assholes, everyone has one... but I know there are others with much more experience in the breed who agree with me.
I guess being an outsider, a newcomer to the show world actually helps me see things others don't, because they've become so used to them. Why is this dog built this way? Why is it different from that dog, or the dogs of 20 or 30 years ago? And, most important of all: ARE THE CHANGES REALLY BENEFITTING THE BREED??
by Rik on 28 July 2009 - 07:07
SunSilver, really tired of your endless shit.
In a post above I call you a sow who knows nothing about the GSD.
If I am wrong, please correct me with your knowledge and achievements. I will humbly apoligize.
This is a forum created for the serious discussion of the GSD. You have neither experience nor achievements to point to.
Yet, you continue to show up here on this forum, that Oli is forced to create because of endless complaints from serious GSD people.
So, once agan, I call you an old sow who knows nothing about the GSD.
Only what you learn from your keyboard or a book you buy. "All hat, no cattle".
If I am wrong. please correct me.
Best.
Rik
In a post above I call you a sow who knows nothing about the GSD.
If I am wrong, please correct me with your knowledge and achievements. I will humbly apoligize.
This is a forum created for the serious discussion of the GSD. You have neither experience nor achievements to point to.
Yet, you continue to show up here on this forum, that Oli is forced to create because of endless complaints from serious GSD people.
So, once agan, I call you an old sow who knows nothing about the GSD.
Only what you learn from your keyboard or a book you buy. "All hat, no cattle".
If I am wrong. please correct me.
Best.
Rik
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