ULM/THE DOGS WHO DID NOT DO WELL

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by Uber Land on 02 September 2009 - 00:09

ok
I just watched the video posted above of some dogs at the show doing the bitework. I have dialup so its taken me almost 4 hours to download a 9 and half minute clip. after seeing this my question is WTF! do you call this? this isn't protection work, and this isn't an "off" or bad day. In a real life situation, would you trust having one of those dogs at your side? or run the risk of him having an off day when your life depends on it? this is sad people. I would have been ashamed to have enter some of these into a small local show let alone the world sieger show. Its disgraceful! This is bettering the breed!?!

I didn't see any problem with how the helper handled the dogs, actually I would like to applaud him. the last 2 dogs reacted like they had never been struck with the stick or challenged by a helper.

by Samba on 02 September 2009 - 02:09

*GASP* The Emperor has no clothes!!!

by Dana on 02 September 2009 - 10:09

The test at a HZS is very stenuous because of the atmosphere and the inexpericence of a lot handlers and badly trained dogs. At the WUSV 2004 Eindhoven 13 dogs failed in C: Schutzdienst! 15 dogs got only sufficient in C = less than 80p.
This is in total 28 dogs! of the world best trained GSD's and most experienced trainers which had opportunty to train in het staium before und conditioned circumstances. Even Helmut Raiser only got 80 points after a bad prefrormance in C with his dog. An experienced trainer can tell you, yes a dog can have a bad day. A dogs character and temperament is not only the bitework. Also the helperswork was very different in Ulm.

by senta on 02 September 2009 - 11:09

A dog bites - or it does not bite evenly. That is completely independent of the helper or of the situation… or of the weather. It depends on training and on the temper of the dog. For a well trained dog it is completely no matter whether the helper works well or badly - it would be exclusively for the helper badly, however for the dog all the same. For the well trained dog it is further no matter whether the helper is small, large or giant large.

Bad trained dogs. Sad for them.

by eichenluft on 02 September 2009 - 13:09

We are talking apples to oranges here - yes the world's best trained dogs in the WUSV and BSP (mainly working line dogs) can have a bad day - get eliminated in POINTS, have some snafu moment in TRAINING and get less than 80 POINTS in protection - that has nothing to do with the DOG and it's temperament, drive and nerve strength for the BREED. The show dogs in the SS (and wherever they supposedly received their Schh titles and breed surveys) are not showing their poor TRAINING (not only that, anyway) - they are showing their poor and weak temperaments, drives and nerve strength. No amount of TRAINING will cover up the genetic temperament, drive and nerve strength. If training goes awry, the real dog will shine through. The strong dog will give the middle toe to the handler, refuse to out or obedience goes out the window and fail - the weak dog will show it's true colors by refusing to grip, releasing during stick hits, or running for the hills under threat (and fail). Which scenario shows the biggest problem in our breed? The strong dog whose training slips at a competition, or the weak dog who shows it's true colors (black and red = yellow) at a competition?

molly

by Mackenzie on 02 September 2009 - 13:09

The workability of the show dogs is draining away by the day. A small minority are receiving better training than the poor effort made for the majority. However, the problem is not just about a bad day (which everyone has, people and dogs alike) or, poor training. The problem is that too many breeders have forgotton the basic principle that our dogs are a Working Breed that can be shown. Looking at the situation of show dogs that can work just does not work in practice except for a handful of dogs.

Mackenzie

by Gustav on 02 September 2009 - 14:09

Molly, You are absolutely correct....points and nerve strength are two different things. The threat posed at ULM should be handled by any 15 month old "decent" German Shepherd...Hell every GS in our club over the age of 12 months could handle the test posed by Ulm except for the out which they may not have learned. This temperament weakness emanating from lack of genetic nerve strength is so apparent that Stevie could see it. If these were Backyard dogs, OK, but these are supposed to be the epitome of the breed. If this was the first year this happened, maybe the supporters could say "bad day". This has become a routine occurrence at the Seiger show in Germany and U.S. And guess what...it will happen again just as bad next year because the dogs that provided the pathetic work are the sisters/brothers and first cousins of the dogs that went VA and everybody will breed to them. The real villians are not the owners but the BREEDERS who don't have the cajones to open up the genetic lines with new blood with NO Quanto/Canto in it. The worst villians are the judges that promulgate this -------. ! They are worst than backyard breeders because many backyard breeders produce dogs that can serve and protect man....this trash is good for only kennel and home as a whole!!!!!!!!!
BTW, Marko and Mutz were in the early Seventies!!

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