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by bazza on 31 October 2009 - 23:10

NINJA, Thank you at last someone with common sense.  Ibrahim, you certainly have a lot to learn and listening to most hear you will learn nothing, please please keep an open mind. If you are truly interested in learning about this breed, avoid Sunsilver and co.

Prager

by Prager on 31 October 2009 - 23:10

First I would like to say that probably all the people whose dog pictures are shown here, love their dogs.And I do not think that anybody here wants to hurt their feelings. I know that if any of these dogs would be injured or lost all the people here would pour their hearts out.  Thus I hope that their feelings are not hurt too badly and instead they  can see what horrible thing they are doing to GSD.  Some of the dogs here  are atrocious . Stacked or not.  It is an educational to see what the GSD MUST NOT look like. Unfortunately I know that many people see these atrocious specimen as a top of the breed. And that pains me. If  poking fun of these dogs will serve the purpose of discouraging novices and old breeders alike to breed such dogs,  then it is OK. As long as it helps the breed. 
" The shepherd dog is a service dog & must be bred as a service dog and must be only judged as a service dog. With service dog, the suitability ranks higher then beauty."  Sounds familiar?
Beauty of a shepherd is the  beauty of an athlete. Their ability to perform is derived from sound athletic body.  Any breeding which only caters to someones warped idea of  what GSD should look like, or which caters to a fad without regard to a greater picture, needs to be pointed out and yes maybe ridiculed. If that is what it takes to preserve our beloved breed, so be it. 
 For the sake of GSD!
Prager Hans
http://www.alpinek9.com

by Ibrahim on 31 October 2009 - 23:10

Bazza,

I respect your point of view but I think Prager Hans is nearer to a (thorough neutral evaluation).

by bazza on 01 November 2009 - 00:11

The point i am trying to make is none of the owners nor breeders of the pictured dogs have said "this is what a correct gsd should look like"  so please tell me why these particular dogs are being chosen to ridicule.  Especially when the comments come from some of the least knowledgeable people on this board. I have never seen any of the dogs in the flesh, and i'll bet no one else has either so how can one judge them on a photo. But if you guys want to continue judgeing dogs on photo's , go ahead, me i'll stick to judgeing in the flesh, and say what i always say about a crap photo, " sack the handler".    RED SABLE, lets face it you are NEVER going to agree with anything i say, but hey that's okay, your a lot younger than me, and also have a lot to learn.  GSDRULE, if yo do not know why the gsd is " stacked" by now you too have a lot to learn. Maybe some of the so called experts here could explain it to you in simple terms that you may understand, i do not have the patience!!!!!!

Prager

by Prager on 01 November 2009 - 00:11


 To GSDSRULE:
They are stacked in order for a judge to be able to uniformly evaluate structure of the dog in comparison to other dogs. 
:)
 Prager Hans

EuroShepherd

by EuroShepherd on 01 November 2009 - 00:11

Wow,  back when I posted this thread I checked it the next day and only one person had posted...who was also interested in seeing pics, now I come back...a week some-odd later?  and 80+ posts! 
.........and I thought for sure the thread was a lost quest, lol.

these are some great examples, are there any more? 

It wasn't my intention for it to be about bashing, but for educating myself (and anyone else interested) on dog structure. 

And to be fair, about the czech dog that was posted, it looks like a puppy to me, I've seen working line pups that looked like that dog at 4 or 5 months old. 

GSDtravels

by GSDtravels on 01 November 2009 - 01:11

First of all, I feel sorry for some dogs that are so loose and angled that they appear crippled or at least "uncomfortable in their own skin".  I think it's really sad to see such specimens.  But I think the blame has to rest squarely with the judges who are supposed to be holding this breed to a "standard".  And that standard should not include putting these poor animals on a pedestal, literally.  If these dogs were not winning breed shows, they wouldn't be bred to in the first place.  The judges are responsible, period.

Now, don't even get me started on those who want to be breed police when they themselves are hiding skeletons in glass closets.  Who really cares about the individual dogs and what constitutes moral obligation to a "beloved family member" when dogs are dumped because they don't live up to our expectations?  I do believe that's a question that needs serious consideration.  I remember a few fairy tales myself.  Once upon a time...

by bazza on 01 November 2009 - 01:11

ONE LAST TIME....... HAS ANYONE HERE SEEN ANY OF THESE DOGS IN PERSON?   HAS ANYONE HERE GOT PERMISSION FROM OWNERS TO POST PICTURES?

SchHBabe

by SchHBabe on 01 November 2009 - 02:11

Unfortunately, most of the hock-walking bandy-legged GSDs that I have in my personal "GSD freak show" collection are from photos from advertisements on this site, posted by some schmuck PROMOTING the alleged VALUE that these genetic misfits are supposed to have.  None of my personal collection of "freaks" are from kind-hearted people rescuing a deformed dog.  Nope... they are "podium" dogs, "stud" dogs, "proven producers". 

I have seen "extreme" dogs like these in person, and it makes me shudder every time I see one of these miserable spooks dragging their hocks and cringing at every person that walks by.  Fortunately most of those dogs that I know ARE rescues, taken in by benevolent souls who feel sorry that the poor dog was bred to be a freak.

This lovey-dovey "why can't we just all get along" attitude can only stretch so far.  When human beings willfully produce a deformed dog for the sake of ego and financial gain, only the dogs suffer for it.  Pfui!

Anyone who wants to take pot shots of my own dog, feel free... "Diesel von Hayden" listed here in the database.  He's a well built active WL pup all full of piss and vinegar.  He will never win ribbons in the conformation ring, AKC or SV, but he just might turn out to be one helluva working dog.  ;)


SchHBabe

by SchHBabe on 01 November 2009 - 02:11

Prager, thanks for your post.  I think you've captured the sentiment quite well.  Yes, these dogs are loved by their owners, but NO they are NOT examples of a quality working dog. 

Absolutely there is value for the novice to see the difference between good and bad breeding.  We all started somewhere on the learning curve.  All the better for someone to open the eyes of the breeder sooner, rather than later, when the malformed pups are already on the ground and needing to be sold.





 


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