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by Mackenzie on 28 November 2009 - 12:11

Should all UK GSD judges be licensed ?

When looking at the breed in the UK today one has to wonder why the Judges should not be licenced so that their knowledge of the breed can be assessed. The days of appointing friends and others from the beer tent have passed. The are very serious issues that need to be addressed and we have only to look at the photos of the dogs that are being bred today to understand some of the problems faced by breeders in correcting the faults that we see today. The faults that we are seeing have become the norm for judges and breeders alike.

Until the time comes when licensing judges becomes mandatory we will continue to see the breed going down hill. When animals are seen to be winning, particularly by novices, that have so many faults then it is only a matter of time before they become part of the breeding pool. It is for the Judges to stop the practice of giving out prizes and C.C.’s and be more instrumental in removing these animals from such a position.

In my opinion all Judges should be officially licensed with a written exam and a practical examination. The practical side to be judged perhaps by an SV judge in the first instance and until such time as the breed has enough people through the scheme to take on the judging of new applicants.
The licensing should also apply to All Rounder’s who would like to be included on the panel. After qualifying there should be a regular assessment by way of examination every three years. In this way breeders would get more direction in what they need to do to get back to breeding to the Worldwide standard. No GSD show should be judged by unqualified judges. The licensing scheme should also include existing judges.

I am sure that there are contributors out there that would like to see such a scheme introduced and I hope that more contributions come forward on this on the topic.

Mackenzie

Videx

by Videx on 28 November 2009 - 13:11

GSD specialist conformation Judges should primarily be drawn from the most successful GSD breeders and exhibitors. That is a fundamental truism. The problems afflicting our breed, are those conjured up in the minds of people without such success in our GSD breed, including the vast majority of Kennel Club members, as well as many within our breed, who make numerous assertions about faults with our breed, all too frequently based on obvious ignorance. Usually emanating from only GSD photographs and comments from other ignorant bystanders, such as taxi drivers, and uncle Tom Cobley and ALL. I know everyone is entitled to an opinion, but the majority of seriously flawed opinions are obviously  expressed with simplistic and very limited knowledge and experience of our GSD breed. It takes a lot more than a pair of eyes and a mouth, or a finger and a computer, to formulate and offer a worthy opinion about our GSD breed. I suppose it is best to take the view that opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one, and some appear to have two.

JackieJ

by JackieJ on 28 November 2009 - 13:11

  We all know you’re got two arseholes David, fits in well with your split personality.

You can  mine anytime.

JJ

by bazza on 28 November 2009 - 13:11

Very true JJ, he has one below his nose and one below his waist, both open and expel crap!!!

by noddi on 28 November 2009 - 14:11

Mackenzie,yu have made a good point .i personally feel that all persons wishing to judge at champ.show level should now be obliged to have passed a pratical test on their chosen breed(s).a written test could be taken if necessary,but some people might be able to do it on paper ,but not by the eye.in fact the gsd breed council has an exam one can take ,and i know that quite people have passed and are now awarding CC,s.i dont know why David didnt mention it.Shelia Rankin ,the breed council secretary can inform yu of the details.Bazza ,JJ,I SEE YU ARE NOW ON THIS THREAD MAKING NASTY REMARKS ONCE AGAIN.I,NOW MAKE THAT 3 THREADS.why dont yu go away and play with your toys,like good little boys.and as the saying goes,sticks and stones will break my bones but names will never hurt me,so go ahead and slag me off to your hearts content.Carole Spelman Rheinmeister Gsds.

by Jago on 28 November 2009 - 14:11

Carole, last time I looked this was a free forum and anyone is allowed to make comment as they see fit. Why stick up for DP all of a sudden? Has he promised you a pup from one of his many litters? Or maybe he has promised you can use one of his dogs at stud for free? Stop trying to suck up to DP Carole, it doesnt become you.

T


by Mackenzie on 28 November 2009 - 15:11

I would suggest that not all successful breeders exhibitors are suitable for Judging the breed. Quite often it comes to the numbers game in that those with enough desire, time, dogs and money can attend the most shows and therefore achieve success. That has always been the case.  There are some people who have been in the breed for many years who for the reasons stated have never achieved the success of producing a champion although they produced many good animals and achieved good results in the limited number of shows they have attended.

It is also true to say that a photograph is not always the best way to give an opinion but for people who really do know what they are doing they can get a pretty good idea of an animal.  Not all the pictures cover up the incorrect backlines, and over angulated animals with cow hocks.

Mackenzie

Videx

by Videx on 28 November 2009 - 15:11

 JJ  = graham martin, Graychelsea GSD from Redditch, a complete 'nobody', mentally ill, his few ex-friends know it, he is on state help for it, unemployable because of it. Care in the community gone mad!. He is a friend of John Robinson CORJON GSD, him with the JRD problems, which he turns a blind eye to.

bazza & jago, gutlass morons.

Carole Spelman is now observing who attacks who, a simple matter to observe, and she can see your repeated and unjustified attacks on me, your stalking, and your cowardice. I commend her above many others for simply "pointing it out" each & every time.


by Mackenzie on 28 November 2009 - 16:11

Why is that David Payne and "friends" reduce so many threads to the trash can?  For those that want to get at David please direct your comments to his web site.  David please do the same to these people and contact them direct.

There are people here that may want to say something positive rather than keep reading the repetative rubbish that you are engaged in.

Mackenzie

by noddi on 28 November 2009 - 17:11

Mackenzie,I applaud yu on your posts.yu speak a lot of common sense and truth and yu have the common sense to see that not all successful exhibitors can also judge correctly.yu have to have an eye for it.i,ve had reasonable success at both open and champ level,under all rounders, english people who judge to german type and foreign judges.i have only bought 2 bitches in.the 1st being Cassie(my foundation bitch)and then a year later a 4 mth.old one from Larry  and Anna.all the rest  have been animals that I HAVE BRED.so to your question ,NO HAVE NOT GOT A PUP OR HAVE HAD A FREE STUD OFF DAVID.yes i know this is a free forum and anyone can comment,but that IS NOT WOT YU ARE DOING.yu are using this thread to slag people off.HOW DARE YU SUGGEST THAT IM SUCKING UP TO DAVID.i am a person in my own right,actually i am 57 going on for 58,and im known for speaking my mind,even to my superiors when i worked for NAT.WEST BK.,so im no wimp.maybe yu could pay a visit next weekend to Essex Champ Show and speak to me in person and then you,ll find out.yu now been on 3 seperate threads causing trouble.David Payne is only an aquaintance ,as are a lot of other exhibitors.yu really should get your facts straight and not make assumptions.this will be my last post to yu shit stirrers as i really cant be bothered .Carole .






 


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