Kennel Club press release - Page 3

Having recieved an email from David Payne on Item 9 of this KC Undertaking (which for all intensive purposes is just another word for Contract), and then having spoken, in some length on the phone to him, re this issue. I am inclined to agree that the way forward is for ALL Clubs to sign the Undertaking BUT ONLY (and this BUT is IMPORTANT) after ITEM 9 has been DELETED WITH TIPPEX OR OBLITERATED BY BLACK PEN.
We should STAND AND FIGHT the KC on this one Item and this one Item alone. Forget the rest, as in the scheme of things they are of relative unimportance. Lets face it, the majority, if not all of us agree we need to penalise unsoundness, and all of us already sign up to abide by KC rules every time we sign Entry forms for KC Licenced Shows. BUT are ANY OF US REALLY PREPARED TO HAND OVER OUR BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS TO THE KC, THE RIGHT OF CHOICE ? EVEN GOD GAVE US THE RIGHT TO MAKE OUR OWN CHOICES!!!! If we therefor choose to run an event under the rules and regs of an organisation other than that of the KC, does the KC really have the POWER to PREVENT US FROM DOING SO WITHOUT HAVING FIRST OBTAINED THEIR PERMISSION? I very much doubt it, not at least without infringeing upon our basic human rights. Should we therefore write to the KC asking for their permission? NO WE SHOULD NOT!! To do so would be AN ADMITTANCE (of that clubs committee) THAT THEY ACCEPT THE KC HAVE THE RIGHT AND THE POWER TO REQUEST THAT WE  ASK FOR THEIR PERMISSION. When personally I find it unreasonable and almost certainly illegal for them to do so.

THIS IS WHERE OUR STANCE SHOULD BE, THIS IS WHERE OUR FIGHT SHOULD BE DIRECTED, ON THIS ONE ITEM AND THIS ONE ITEM ONLY.

LETS NOT WASTE OUR TIME or ENERGY DISCUSSING ANY OTHER ITEM in this KC CONTRACT. As previously said, in the scheme of things the rest are all irrelevant for the reasons already given.

LET'S REPLY TO THE KC GAME OF TRYING TO DIVIDE AND CONQUER WITH THE ACTION
 'UNITED WE STAND'. 


Regards
Sue b

Thanks Sue for pointing out we have until the End of March for a reply to the KC.The other suggestion that we should delete item 9 or cross it out when returning the form to the KC is a good idea but my main concern as I wrote previous is that unless any clubs members are regular readers of the PDB then they would not be aware of this current situation.As a member of any Club or Branch (as in the case of BAGSD and the League) members should be kept upto date with what is going on. As you pointed out we now have until the end of March which is plenty of time to regroup, with if possible a letter from the GSDP to the KC. When I attend my branch of BAGSD which has a membership of 100 if I did not inform them of the current state of affairs within the breed most would not have a clue to what is going on and would not know anything. I only get my information from the Data Base, not through a GSD CLUB. John Ward

Let's remember that the vast majority of breed club members know nothing about CCs and care even less and will not understand the implications that signing this declaration will have. I shall be urging my clubs not to sign this at all - Point 9 is the most obviously manipulative and controlling but most of the other points will prove to be damaging over time.

We need to get our clubs to .....
 

• Refuse to sign the declaration
• Write to the GSD Partnership confirming their support for them to represent the breed in discussions with the KC
• Ask the Breed Council to put a briefing document to all General Society Committees pointing out the onerous nature of the declaration - even as it is watered down for them.
• Instigate / support actions which will bring the totally unjust treatment of GSD breeders into the public arena.

I was thinking that the GSD community ought to seek a third party mediation body - at the moment it is us against them but if we could have a knowledgeable third party to assist with the discussions then that would surely help? I assumed that the FCI must have a concilaition policy of some sort and looked at their website - what a shock....The KC does not appear to be a member. Standing rather lonely against the vast majority of countries worldwide - obviously they are too grand and perfect to need to work with others or have any sort of control placed over them.

Note this from the FCI home page
The FCI recognises 339 breeds, Each of them is the 'property' of a specific country. The 'owner' countries of the breeds write the standard of these breeds (description of the ideal type of the breed), in co-operation with the Standards and Scientific Commissions of the FCI, and the translation and updating are carried out by the FCI. These standards are in fact the reference on which the judges base themselves when judging in shows held in the FCI member countries; they are THE reference assisting the breeders in their attempt to produce top-quality dogs.


Some time ago I contacted the German SV to see if I could register my pups with them as I was so disgusted with the KC and was told that it is FCI rules that pups should be registered in the country of residence of the breeder. I wonder if this stands even though our country does not seem to have a FCI recognised body?

I think we should get a demo organised and let's make it a show-case for our wonderful breed - what about co-inciding with the start of Crufts? If we were in London and the powers that be were all supposed to be at the NEC then we would give them a right headache!

Shirley Hutchinson

i would welcome a good rally, dogs included, petitioning, - walking around from Clarges St to ther places and back - and showing our wonderful breed off, informing of course the press that we are going to do just that and why, and make our points that are important to Joe Public.... that the GSD folk are more than interested in health issues like HD and pay hundreds of pounds to hip score, only to find that the KC will condone puppy farmers by registering their puppies.  Alos, let it be know that it costs a few quid to register your self asaccredited  by the KC.  Personally, I think we should VETO the entry of Crufts, but that would be most unfair on the judge, and look who we would leave in our wake to grab the tickets - oh, its too painful to think about, although personally, I think the judge for 2010 would have no worry about with-holding the tickeets if he thought he should.   Hmmm - lets get starting on a list here of the main points we would want the media to know in the event of a rally.  One each .....  go for it.

My one is that the Kennel Club couldnt care less whether dogs have been hip scored and lull the public into thinking that their stamp of approval is for healthy dogs only..


If we planned our demo with a good speaker to the media, with the salien points raised and brought into the press, Joe Public would be running the other way rather than relying on KC registration guaranteeing them a healthy good specimen

Mo - Mascani

I have been wondering for some time why our reps have not gone public so to speak in enlisting some of the big newspapers to look at things from our angle.  We should be putting our views out there as at the moment I get phone calls for pups asking me which ones do I breed, even more so than usual calls.  They, the public are entirely on the side of the KC and do not understand our position.  It is time we put it out there for all to know the truth.  OK it will probably mean the end with the KC negotiations but what are they offering anyway - nothing.  I was in my vet's a few days ago and a couple came in with a GSD and were talking about the show dogs and how awful they were and that their dog was the correct type.  I agreed because guess what I had bred it!!!  Yes and were they surprised that my show dogs looked ok (as I had 2 with me).   But at the moment the public think we breed monsters so please let someone who knows how to word something put our case out there.  Jean Duff

IK`ll have a go at joining facebook Joyce, but you know my track record on the pc ha ha    Mo.