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by Blerio on 29 January 2010 - 00:01

The recent death of a female 3 years old, owned and bred by Alan and Karen Charlton has caused a great deal of discussion. The sire Gayville's Nasko. There is talk that he also sired other affective youngsters.It was alleged tonight that Davey Hall has now said the common link is through the affected female line and leads to Apollo Dakota. Alan and Karen's female was a grand daughter of a male I bred, Blerio Reflection, an Apollo son, If this is correct, and we do have a problem with Epilepsy, then this needs immediate research into the breeding lines of any affected dogs linked to this situation. I would call upon all people involved in the breeding of these affected dogs to come out and submit any relevant information in an open and honest manner. I don't want any witch hunt, people have reputations to consider and protect. If we have a problem it may be more far reaching than we think. Let's pool all our resource's to identify where this started and contain it, for the sake of our breed. regards Bill Owen.

by Wildmoor on 29 January 2010 - 00:01

Hi Bill if Davey Hall did say what you stated and only thinks it leads to Apollo then he must be delusional as there are numerous lines on both male and female lines of the affected bitch where epilepsy could of come through, even going back to a few Old English lines back in the pedigree.
And yes Bill it is definitely more far reaching than you think!
The only hope is that a test for epilepsy soon becomes available.
just to clarify unlike other conditions it does not need both parents to produce.
Pam

BRADY BEE

by BRADY BEE on 29 January 2010 - 07:01

 SHOULD HAVE GONE TO SPEC SAVERS!!!!!!!!!!!!           





by noddi on 29 January 2010 - 08:01

hiya Bill.in my opinion the breeders who,s bitches have produced this problem might have wanted to publish this information but after advising the stud dog owner have been told that it aint the male but the females fault(even tho ones not had this problem in their litters before,or in litters other people have produced  from their lines)and if this info. and pedigree are submitted for publication then they will be sued as it puts the dogs and their reputation in jeopardy.MOST PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO GO PUBLIC FOR FEAR OF REPRISALS FROM THESE PEOPLE AND AS YOU,VE SAID AT THE BEGINNING ,STARTING A WITCH HUNT.i applaud Karen and Alan for their courage in making this public and as usual the animals owner(no disrespect to you Davey and Joan)but if other animals from other bitches are having fits also ,then CAN IT ALL BE DOWN TO THE BITCHES?why is it that the males get all the credit ,when their progeny win,yet if there,s a genetic health problem its always the bitches fault?i think that many ,many people have had this particular problem and are ,have been and will in the future still be afraid to come forward for fear of reprisals from these top stud dog owners.PERHAPS THE TIME HAS COME FOR THE PEOPLE WHO RESEARCH THESE PEDIGREES OF EPILEPTIC DOGS TO PUBLISH THEIR FINDINGS AND NAMES THE PRESENT DAY STUD DOGS AND BITCHES WHO ARE PRODUCING THIS PROBLEM.imagine now wot other owners of animals bearing the gayville affix and who have litter mates to nasko.i know a litter brother has had a few studs as well.how must these owners be feeling..Carole Spelman RHEINMEISTER GSDS.

by Jean Duff on 29 January 2010 - 11:01

I know of a young female in Ireland who is not related to Nasko - in fact entirely working lines I believe. who had to be put to sleep as she started fitting and never stopped.    I will try and find out info on breeding.  jean

by petowner on 29 January 2010 - 11:01

Noddi  it's the norm for stud dogs to get the blame when any problems occur whether true or not.  As wildmoor states it only takes one parent for epilepsy to come through, only one single line can do the damage so the more lines going back to epilepsy regardless where they are placed in a pedigree will increase the chances of epilepsy occuring. Not everybody knows the affected lines and if they do know them they rarely look far enough back in the pedigrees to collate the amount of line breeding there is.  I have taken an interest in bloodlines for quite a number of years , the chairman of one of the training clubs I attend has a very good collection of pedigrees from club members going back years that have had problems. Some breeders do not take the time to collate such information and seem to only use dogs that are winning, the same applies in the obedience and working trials world also breeders that breed for colours alone.    Simon.

by arbeiter on 29 January 2010 - 12:01

noddi-
             Surely everyone who reads this site now knows the sire allegedly.
              So there is nothing to be frightened about in the future at least, just DON'T  use him,whether 
              you believe it all or not, its a simple choice.

                 Until all this came up I never had  a clue which dogs were allegedly involved.

by pt1 on 29 January 2010 - 12:01

i think you'll find it needs BOTH parents to carry, in order to produce epiliptics

missbeeb

by missbeeb on 29 January 2010 - 12:01

News to me pt1, I've always understood that it only needs one parent... has something changed?

by bazza on 29 January 2010 - 13:01

YEP! News to me too, but i'm up for learning.





 


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