Dwarfs in Ireland - Page 3

Whatever happened to the Breed Council Database that used to keep details of all this sort of stuff? or maybe it is just another good idea thats been scrapped due to lack of interest?

You people make me really angry, all you are doing is trying to cause trouble and create more bad feeling, when at the moment that is the last thing the breed needs!!  You come on this forum hiding behind some pseudonym, haven't got the courage to sign your own posts, it is disgusting.....Do you really believe that 'The Person' who owns the Benny son ( and I do know who who you are talking about) went out of the way to produce a litter of dwarfs,IF this has happened I guess he is really mortified, he loves his dog and would only want him to be thought of in the best light , not as a father of dwarf puppies!!!  Doesn't it register with people that the more you breed the more problems are going to occur, be it with dogs, horses, you name it even people!  And while everyone is in the mood to slag off Nasco and Benny, maybe they should be looking at the bitch lines behind the mothers, why is it always the males that cop the blame for everything?????  And another thing the dog's hips are not that bad, they could be better, yes, but not worth the comment made by 'NOFEAR'!!!  Also I don't believe that any 'lynch mob' will be out to get you 'NOFEAR', isn't it more likely that you have had a falling out, and are now trying to you own  get back ????????

I have to agree with Sue Worley, I can understand people not wanting to come on here saying what their dogs may or may not be producing, as it always seems to become a witch hunt!
I personally think there are worse defects that a dog can produce other than dwarfism, as it is (or should be, to the experienced breeder) identified very early in life and the affected pup/s should not then be passed on to the unsuspecting pet owner. There is a DNA test to identify carriers, so for those breeders who feel that it is the end of the world to produce a dwarf, then I would suggest testing their breeding stock. It has to be carried both sides, so this disease can be totally avoided by testing for carriers and not mating two carriers together.
Uran v. Wildsteiger Land carried the gene, as did other excellent dogs, so it is bound to be fairly widespread. IMO, I think it would be unwise to remove these otherwise excellent producing dogs from the gene pool.

SUE WORLEY / KESYRA.     WHAT A BAD ATTITUDE YA BOTH AV !!!!!!!!!!.   YA MAKE ME SICK ----- YEH ITS WIDESPREAD ALRIGHT AN GETTIN WORSE WI FOLK LIKE YOU BREEDING WI ETHICS LIKE THAT HEH !!!!!.     YA THINK IT WOULD BE UNWISE TO REMOVE THA EXCELLENT DOGS FROM THA GENE POOL DO YA ---------- YEH COZ IF YER DID THA WOULDNA BE ANY DOGS LEFT IN THA GENE POOL HEH !!!!!!.  THEY AINT ALL EXCELLENT DOGS / BITCHES !!!!!!.   JUS COZ YER USED TA BREEDING DWARFS YA SELVES DONT PREACH YER RUBBISH TA NEWBIES THAT MIGHT JUS BELIEVE YA THAT IT AINT THE END OF THE WORLD ---- AT THIS RATE IT WILL BE THA END O THA GSD !!!!.  YEH ITS GREAT THER IS A TEST FER IT NOW BUT I BET YA WONT BE TESTIN YER DOGS WILL YA ???????, NA MUCH CHANCE O THAT APPENING !.

BE REAL INTERESTIN TA SEE HOW MANY O YOU  "TOP"  BREEDERS DO THA TEST AN HOW MANY PULL THA DOGS FROM BREEDIN . YA ALL GOT YER SELVES IN SUCH A DARN MESS NOW YA JUS GOIN WI THA FLOW INSTEAD O TRYIN TA SAVE THA GERMAN SHEPHERD BREED !!!!!!!.  DWARFS AINT RARE NA MORE THANKS TA YA BAD ETHICS !.

ITS ONE O TWO THINGS ----- YA EITHER YA DONT GIVE A MONKEYS FER THA BREED OR YA TOO DARN STUPID TA DO ANYTHIN ABOUT IT !!!!!. TAKE YA PICK COZ THE CAP FITS BOTH !!!!!!!.

Having a second breed where the only health issue is a genetic testable one, I am aware of the benefits of testing and only breeding  from clear stock or clear to carriers and then further testing the progeny.

If you choose to only breed clear to clear you have the potential of narrowing  the gene pool to dangerous levels.  We need to keep the breed lines open and not restrict and cause bottle necks in genetics as this will only bring further unknown problems.  Fortunately with dwarfs as previously mentioned, are apparent and easily identified early and  they should be culled and those that are not from my understanding are usually infertile and unfortunately suffer from many other health issues.  If HD, ED, AF, EPI and epilepsy were apparent physically in such an early stage many dogs suffering and the emotional roller coaster that the owners and breeders have to go through would be avoided.

If all bitches were tested then the breeder would know whether there is a possibility of them producing dwarfs and if their bitches are carriers they then would need to look for a clear dog.

It is quite simple and as I previously stated my other breed is now clear from its genetic problem, from simple stock selection.  Having gone through the testing records I can see where a litter maybe contained 1 carrier and 7 clear stock.  this shows that the removal of carriers is unnecessary so long as matings do take into account the possibility of producing carriers and that potential breeding stock is screened.

I guess ive been a bit nieve by posting on here so this will be my last post . I can aassure everyone on here that i ave no axe to grind with anyone on here, I only know as a layman who loves GSD & takes an active interst in the breed (hobby breeder ) but am  certain that I would never knowing ly breed from something without health checks.I.m not blaming anyone for breeding these dogs but I am blaming at least one for trying to cover it up with attitude , if no one knows ,I dont really know the breeder or the owner of the stud dog that well but I do know there is no smoke without fire . My friend tells me owner of female is tellin anyone who will listen about the sire o the puppies & he aint afraid if asked to tell. Unfortunately he will not say to much through fear of reprisal so could say it is hearsay but I know what is not hearsay . Dog has high hip score & should not be at public stud . Shud be snipped & let live out rest of life as pet . Miss worley as you think score is not that bad would you use Dog in question on your own females ? i wait your anserwr which I know will not come . You shud be ashamed with yourself for saying that  score is not that bad  for breeding, clearly you have no understanding of hip dysplacia .

NO FEAR   --------  Av no fear , miss worley as na reason not ta reply coz she aint worried about na scores heh heh ---- na when she as er dog at stud wi a elbow score  2   aye !!!!!!.

"He who is without sin cast the first stone" Come on you guy's, I don't believe true shepherd people breed to produce problems, like dwarfs, high  hips, and any other genetic problems that may surface. unfortunately the stud dog seems to get most of the blame if things go wrong. But remember they have mothers . In a lot of cases it's just bad luck, but if you produce a problem, be honest about it, people should respect honesty, and benefit from the knowledge of bloodlines that just don't mix. Sue Worley, and Kesyra, are honest and strait forward people and have the breed at heart. Jonah1 you talk a crock of shit and should stay in the belly of the whale. regards Bill Owen.

Aw Bill I thought ya wer better than that , I speak tha truth wetha ya like it or not.  I'd be tha first ta applaud folk that admit they av an hereditary fault in tha dogs an respect em fer admittin it too !.  Its tha coverin up an deceit thats wrong . Why has Sue Worley put er dogs hip score on er website but na his elbow score ----- aw shucks she must av forgot to put his elbow score on ther DUH !.  Honest an straight forward ya say Bill , HUH !.

Yeh tru shep folk wouldna breed to produce a problem ------- the crock of shit is when they do produce a problem they jus carry on trucking wi the same blood that produced tha problem -------- AYE !!!!.

Jonah, you are just an idiot, yes my dog does have a score of 2 on his elbows, do you know why???? No you don't and why is that then, because you have never asked me.......All my animals are hip scored, elbow scored and the males haem tested, so don't you dare preach to me about right and wrong because I will take you to the cleaners, well I can't can I because you are another scaredy cat who can't put their name to their postings. All this crap gets no-one anywhere, who can score the most points, for what ???? How does that help the GSD,????? Just another bit of stuff to put in your pipe to smoke, the pups that have been scored from Xandro all have clear elbows, sorry to disappoint you, it may also be worth reminding you that elbow scoring is not compulsory here yet, so the fact that I have had my animals done has to be in my favour wouldn't you agree, and also they are done for the 'A'stamp, what about yours or do you have any ??? Also I don't have time to sit on this site ad infinitum as you appear to , as I do have dogs to take care of,what about you ?????? As for you NOFEAR  you are just a stirrer, and my name is MRS Worley, Sue to my friends of whom I don't count you, Yes I would use the dog if I knew the rest of his lines and those of the female I was using, there are many reasons for high hips, injury being the most common in young animals, not always genetic, and not often reproduced. Breeding is a gamble every time, it is just how much the risk can be reduced, but there is nothing definate in any mating that is done, yes, you can use dogs with all the right criteria but then there is always the chance that something from way back will raise it's ugly head, it's called the law of averages.........

Thanks Bill for your comments, much appreciated, it's such a shame that these idiots waste so much time slagging people of (incorrectly by the way as the dog has not produced any dwarfs) when they could be doing more constructive things....