Lornaville Alsatians - Page 1

Look at these two web pages. They are from Lornaville Alsatians.

Here is the first one

http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~juleaman/index.htm

It says:-

'He (Ray Brandon) is a Kennel Club assessor for first time CC judges. He judges all breeds at Open Show level and is on various Club lists for other Working/Pastoral breeds.'

Here is the second one

http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~juleaman/Page1.htm

It says:-

'This page highlights the breed Champions produced by the Lornaville kennel.'

Comments please.....

Doesn't warrant a comment really....

This is why we have so many issues with the Kennel Club in Great Britain - what more can I say???

totally agree with ambii,bazza and crossingate.all i can say is HEAVEN HELP US..now the truth is coming out.THE KC IS OUT TO GET THE CORRECT TYPE FRATERNITY OUT OF THE KC.THEY ONLY WANT THE ALSATIANIST TYPES.THE ONES WHO MOSTLY DONT HEALTH TEST ,BREED FROM KNOWN EPILEPTIC LINES AND MAY I ADD ALSO HAVE BRED SIRE TO DAUGHTER/SON TO MOTHER.

KC Assessors are selected on the number of times a judge has awarded CC's, not by some 'old boys network'  or because of which 'type' they prefer.

An assessor only assess the judge and the manner and processes they undertake in the ring.  The assessor cannot comment on what is placed and where, criticism can only be made on the way the judge behaves.  If the judge chooses to pick dogs with overshot jaws, 3 legs or even sky blue and pink with purple spots the assessor is not allowed to comment.  Only conduct and procedure are under scrutiny.

I understand this as in my other breed a Judge was under assessment on her first day giving CCs and many people commented on her choice of dogs, and the fact that she was under this assessment process.  It was then explained to us that selection of dogs is a personal choice/opinion and not one to be questioned by the assessor.  Had the judge missed, say the individual movement out or not gone over the dogs individually whilst under assessment then the assessor would have been required to speak out.  

Just because R Brandon prefers one type, it should not affect his ability to assess a new judge, however should a Germanic judge choose to give a verbal critique whilst under assessment then it could be brought to question as this is not part of the KC's general judging process.  I don't agree with this, I rather like verbal critiques however this is how the KC like things to be done.

I assess/evaluate judges in my other breed, and one of the questions we have to answer is whether from the placings we consider the judge demonstrates a sufficient knowledge of the breed standard (provided there are enough dogs of sufficient quality entered to allow them to make decisions).

 Jeeves - there is a dog under genetic investigation in my other breed (its being questioned as to whether it is a cross breed) and it was placed over other dogs, and when the assessor was questioned (and the KC) the reply was from both that it was personal opinion!

Aha but what you are now overlooking is that with the new KC directive/ undertaking the Judges who promote unsoundness in the hindquarters and the hocks are to be reported by the Breed clubs. Just who exactly on the Breed Club is supposed to do the reporting and assessing they fail to tell you, could be some committee member who has never judged a dog in their life deciding if the judge is assessing soundness correctly or not. Makes a mockery of the whole situation to me. How a Breed club is supposed to stop judges awarding top placings to a dog someone on that committee believes is unsound is beyond me. What are the committee supposed to do, all get in a scrum huddle to debate the issue as to whether the judge has promoted an unsound dog or not? What if only one member of the committee saw the dog going away because everybody else on the committee were just getting on with the job of running the show, this committee member is not a judge so they run to another committee member who is, is this 2nd committee member then supposed to go to the ring and ask the dog to walk away and back again so that they too can assess its soundness. How crazy is all this sounding to the rest of you, because its beyond comprehension to me, yet this is what the KC want your club committee;s to sign up to.

So who exactly will be judging the judges in future, the KC assessors, the club committee;s, the exhibitors, Jemima PDE or even Bill Hardaways taxi driver, in other words Uncle Tom Cobbly and all. Then remember Secretary;s at the end of every year you will have to write a Report to submit to the KC confirming and demonstrating compliance with these conditions to include reports on any required enforcement of Regulations F(1) 17h. Not forgetting of course that quote "Any evidence and reports of non compliance will be relevant factors when considering the Club's next CC allocation. So better hope non of your exhibitors / committee members from other clubs / KC assessors / other KC approved judges, oh yeh and did I mention Bill hardaways Taxi driver, does not send a conflicting report in to the Kennel Club, or you might be joining those clubs that didnt sign sooner than you may otherwise have anticipated.

Regards
Sue b