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by simple on 13 March 2010 - 22:03
Let usnot forget that BAGSD agreed to sign that contract she referred to just prior to Crufts, undermining the work that had previously be done in tryin to force the KC to accept more health tests than they currently require.
Lay the blame at the social climbers who by signing that contract to protect CCs, have given ALL power to the KC.
Lay the blame at the social climbers who by signing that contract to protect CCs, have given ALL power to the KC.
by Aileen Ann Mathieson on 13 March 2010 - 22:03
Looks like the KC hole is getting deeper and deeper - they are causing their own suicide by the sounds of it.
They are the ones who approve of the Judges for all the Shows and this Judge judged to the CORRECT STANDARD - THE INTERNATIONAL STANDARD in virtually every class and NOW THEY INSULT HIM AND THE DOGS HE CHOSE - they are a disgraceful crew are they not.
Mr. Kinsey wants to be saluted for his guts in judging the Breed correctly and not to the KC'S FALSE STANDARD.
I think the Judge needs to have an APOLOGY from them and a public one at that and the owner of the dog too.
They must be totally miffed that this competent Judge picked the TRUE INTERNATIONAL GSD which adheres to the WORLDWIDE STANDARD from the COUNTRY OF ORIGIN.
JUST ONE MORE GIANT SIX INCH NAIL IN THE KC'S COFFIN.
Aileen
They are the ones who approve of the Judges for all the Shows and this Judge judged to the CORRECT STANDARD - THE INTERNATIONAL STANDARD in virtually every class and NOW THEY INSULT HIM AND THE DOGS HE CHOSE - they are a disgraceful crew are they not.
Mr. Kinsey wants to be saluted for his guts in judging the Breed correctly and not to the KC'S FALSE STANDARD.
I think the Judge needs to have an APOLOGY from them and a public one at that and the owner of the dog too.
They must be totally miffed that this competent Judge picked the TRUE INTERNATIONAL GSD which adheres to the WORLDWIDE STANDARD from the COUNTRY OF ORIGIN.
JUST ONE MORE GIANT SIX INCH NAIL IN THE KC'S COFFIN.
Aileen
by Videx on 13 March 2010 - 23:03
It is becoming apparent that some Kennels may not support our first REGIONAL EVENT based on WUSV rules, apparenntly because they have the KC show scene more or less "stitched up" - "organised" and they don't want to lose their "organisation" - they will probably wait and see if the REGIONAL EVENTS introduce CHAMPIONSHIP opportunities before attending them and "re-organising". their influence within them.
The future for our GSD breed is without doubt with the GSD League and WUSV events.
The Kennel Club only want the "compliant" Alsatian.
The KC Show scene "EGG" is now "cracked" - and they are livid with our GSD breed - more breeds will be exploring similar EVENTS under "alternative rules & regulations"
The future for our GSD breed is without doubt with the GSD League and WUSV events.
The Kennel Club only want the "compliant" Alsatian.
The KC Show scene "EGG" is now "cracked" - and they are livid with our GSD breed - more breeds will be exploring similar EVENTS under "alternative rules & regulations"
by Sue B on 13 March 2010 - 23:03
I had no intention of entering Crufts this year, absolutely nothing to do with the judge as I had entered under him before when he judged Blackpool Champ and gained Res CC with Ch. Daira under him but after the way the KC have behaved towards our Breed I would rather have stuck pins in my eyes than put a penny more into their coffers than I need to.
As I see the added Irony is that this judge belongs to one of the Clubs who have already signed this KC undertaking the same club their Fly on the Wall Breed Spy AW sits on as chairman. He would sell his granny for a seat on the KC's Exec Com, he's already sold his soul long since just after he sold our Breed down the swanny.
However, we at West Yks are now looking forward to the future , we believe our Breed now has a very bright future, we know there are many clubs who have signed, I will enjoy visiting your shows to watch and stand in silence, I do hope your committee's are up to the challenge. I guess there will be a lot of boring shows run in deadly silence, either that or a lot of abandoned classes and reported exhibitors to the KC eh !! What say you Wales, Scotland, Sheffield, BAGDS, Birmingham, etc, etc, I hear there are many like me just waiting to watch how you perform your New KC Undertaking Tasks, even noted Carole (noddi) thought the same as me and she will expect NO Double handling at all, and RIGHTLY SO !!
Still never mind, thankfully there will be the CLUBS WITH BALLS that have decided not to sign and run Healthy WUSV type shows instead, we will provide double handling rings so you can all come and shout yourself hoarse at our shows and get rid of all that pent up frustration you will have built up from your silent ringside vigils at your KC Champ shows.
By the way, just a thought. if Caroline Cisko apparently had so many bad things to say about the Crufts BOB GSD does that mean she will be delivering a bad end of year report about their Crufts GSD judge??? Or doesnt the Undertaking solely designed for the GSD breed apply to the Kennel Club and the KC's own Secretary??? Wonder if she and Ronny Irvin signed it????? lol
Regards
Sue
As I see the added Irony is that this judge belongs to one of the Clubs who have already signed this KC undertaking the same club their Fly on the Wall Breed Spy AW sits on as chairman. He would sell his granny for a seat on the KC's Exec Com, he's already sold his soul long since just after he sold our Breed down the swanny.
However, we at West Yks are now looking forward to the future , we believe our Breed now has a very bright future, we know there are many clubs who have signed, I will enjoy visiting your shows to watch and stand in silence, I do hope your committee's are up to the challenge. I guess there will be a lot of boring shows run in deadly silence, either that or a lot of abandoned classes and reported exhibitors to the KC eh !! What say you Wales, Scotland, Sheffield, BAGDS, Birmingham, etc, etc, I hear there are many like me just waiting to watch how you perform your New KC Undertaking Tasks, even noted Carole (noddi) thought the same as me and she will expect NO Double handling at all, and RIGHTLY SO !!
Still never mind, thankfully there will be the CLUBS WITH BALLS that have decided not to sign and run Healthy WUSV type shows instead, we will provide double handling rings so you can all come and shout yourself hoarse at our shows and get rid of all that pent up frustration you will have built up from your silent ringside vigils at your KC Champ shows.
By the way, just a thought. if Caroline Cisko apparently had so many bad things to say about the Crufts BOB GSD does that mean she will be delivering a bad end of year report about their Crufts GSD judge??? Or doesnt the Undertaking solely designed for the GSD breed apply to the Kennel Club and the KC's own Secretary??? Wonder if she and Ronny Irvin signed it????? lol
Regards
Sue
by pencil on 13 March 2010 - 23:03
ah videx was i right then, have none of the BIG 4 kennels entered the regional shows.
what these poorly educated people don't get is that the kc do not own the word CHAMPION-so we can call a 3 x breed winner a champion from our new shows.
what these poorly educated people don't get is that the kc do not own the word CHAMPION-so we can call a 3 x breed winner a champion from our new shows.
by Sylcarr s on 13 March 2010 - 23:03
Who are classed as the big 4??
by Penny on 13 March 2010 - 23:03
Crazy - absolutely crazy if nothing is done about the Queen of Waffle Cisko. Ia she a judge? What does her opinionated nonsense mean then on TV?
Well, it means if I owned the dog that she should be very very worried. My certain step of action would be to take the stance that industry or business would take - damaged reputation for that dog - put your money where your mouth is lady.
There is an SV Kormeister and one of the worlds top SV judges arriving with us next weekend to do the first British Koerung which will count under SV terms. Carol, bring your lad up, I will ask him, and lets get a written assessment of the dogs movement and challenge her nonsense against his opinion and knowledge.... I would certainly be bringing my dog along if it was me, and asking his opinion on the movement, and then I would challenge the Queen of Waffle - to pit her secretarial opinion against one so highly trained, highly thought of, highly used as a judge all over the world, against her world of the pc, the little office and her 23 Siberian Huskies.
What a liberty that was taken tonight. That dog, that did not a thing wrong, the owner who has no malice against anyone and then the Queen of Waffle, flouncing in with her little notebook, and announcing herself to be the font of all knowledge on a breed that has forgotten more than she will ever know.
I think her action could be challenged - as it was made public, and to the detriment of the dog and kennel of Clockellys - when you see the influence she has had on some forums. Therefore, I feel sure she should be made to argue that point with an experienced SV judge, not a TV presenter. Mo
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Well, it means if I owned the dog that she should be very very worried. My certain step of action would be to take the stance that industry or business would take - damaged reputation for that dog - put your money where your mouth is lady.
There is an SV Kormeister and one of the worlds top SV judges arriving with us next weekend to do the first British Koerung which will count under SV terms. Carol, bring your lad up, I will ask him, and lets get a written assessment of the dogs movement and challenge her nonsense against his opinion and knowledge.... I would certainly be bringing my dog along if it was me, and asking his opinion on the movement, and then I would challenge the Queen of Waffle - to pit her secretarial opinion against one so highly trained, highly thought of, highly used as a judge all over the world, against her world of the pc, the little office and her 23 Siberian Huskies.
What a liberty that was taken tonight. That dog, that did not a thing wrong, the owner who has no malice against anyone and then the Queen of Waffle, flouncing in with her little notebook, and announcing herself to be the font of all knowledge on a breed that has forgotten more than she will ever know.
I think her action could be challenged - as it was made public, and to the detriment of the dog and kennel of Clockellys - when you see the influence she has had on some forums. Therefore, I feel sure she should be made to argue that point with an experienced SV judge, not a TV presenter. Mo
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by noddi on 14 March 2010 - 09:03
this is disgusting.didnt see the program,as my tele is only programmed in for 3 channels.its got all the channels but dummy here aint got the brain power to understand how to tune it.i really feel for yu Carol.IMO yu are one of the nicest people i,ve meet.ive never heard yu say a nasty thing about anyone or their animal.i too agree that Lagos is totally correct to the standard,he move extremely well in his class and in the challenge for B.O.B.he was dead straight on his going away when checked with Hotei by the judge as i was standing right in front(behind)them.DID THE KC REALLY THINK THAT BOB WOULD BE INFLUENCED BY WOTS GOING ON BETWEEN THE GSD FRATERNITY AND THE KC TO PUT UP AN ALSATIAN AS B.O.B.in fact there werent that many from that side entered.i was standing next to that bloke and woman who were taking notes and at the end of the dog classes,the bloke stated that he thought about 10 per cent were unsound,but the woman disagreed.there were 73 males exhibited ,so that makes it 7 males unsound.....66 sound. and 90 per cent sound.NOT EXCESSIVE IMHO.????????they were sitting down during the bitch classes and didnt appear to be taking notes.wot i,m wondering is........if a dog was considered unsound by them.....are they going to take away its awards????the kennel club has certainly got its claws out for us,aint they?let them give the cc to the alsatianists,cos imo in years to come when they,re getting loads of complaints from puppy purchasers re puppies being bought that have epilepsy,etc.they,ll only have themselves to blame.Carole Spelman
by missbeeb on 14 March 2010 - 10:03
I hope Carol takes you up on your offer, Mo... seriously good idea. I didn't see it last night and I can't find it on the "on demand" thing, but it's entirely typical of the KC to put an incompetent on TV to spout hogwash. If it were my dog... I'd sue their ass!
by bazza on 14 March 2010 - 10:03
Paul Rattigan..... Never a truer word was spoken!!!!
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