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by Fayrelander on 13 April 2010 - 17:04
Pencil Oh Dear Oh Dear you still don't grasp it do you,
It doesnt matter how many tickets a dog has numerically, in fact a dog could have 100 tickets all awarded by the same judge and it would only count a ONE towards the breed record
It also makes no odds which TYPE of judge awards the ticket, Otherwise a lot of your Champions (especially the bought in ones) According to your earlier post.,would not be Champions would they?
As I have said Nilo is the Breed record holder, but during the competition he and GFG were very close at one stage, Kane was a very respectable runner up, but holds the record for All time group winner. (That's the part your supposed to stay for after winning the CC and B.O.B.)
The only thing you have proved without a shadow of a doubt to me is that you have never had to study the criteria needed for any major competition, and that you are nothing but a WANABEE!
I rather liked the comment made by Mr Payne in that it was a pity your Father didn't have a rubber, if he did you and 50 billion others managed to escape----and YOU were the winner!! God help us all --and the German Shepherd Breed.
NOW GET LOST.
It doesnt matter how many tickets a dog has numerically, in fact a dog could have 100 tickets all awarded by the same judge and it would only count a ONE towards the breed record
It also makes no odds which TYPE of judge awards the ticket, Otherwise a lot of your Champions (especially the bought in ones) According to your earlier post.,would not be Champions would they?
As I have said Nilo is the Breed record holder, but during the competition he and GFG were very close at one stage, Kane was a very respectable runner up, but holds the record for All time group winner. (That's the part your supposed to stay for after winning the CC and B.O.B.)
The only thing you have proved without a shadow of a doubt to me is that you have never had to study the criteria needed for any major competition, and that you are nothing but a WANABEE!
I rather liked the comment made by Mr Payne in that it was a pity your Father didn't have a rubber, if he did you and 50 billion others managed to escape----and YOU were the winner!! God help us all --and the German Shepherd Breed.
NOW GET LOST.
by pencil on 13 April 2010 - 22:04
ah fayrelander-you are right i don't understand-all that wasted typing you done, and still no list of all these different judges for your idol mr gray and gfg.sadly like a lot on here you make outlandish statements then cannot offer the proof to back them up.
as for getting lost no !!! fortunately i dont scare easily.sweet dreams old timer.
as for getting lost no !!! fortunately i dont scare easily.sweet dreams old timer.
by NoCurs on 13 April 2010 - 22:04
"Evolution?" Our purebred dogs can only evolve within the confines of the written standard... Unless you want to be a "fad" breeder who disregards the standard (i.e., the part about a STRAIGHT back with sloping CROUP) Here is what the experts have to say about it. Up to each breeder to decide for themselves where they fit - regardless of if they win at a show or not. Shows are notorious for rewarding "extreme".
"Cliques are built up around all breeds which are interested not in the usefulness of the breeds but in the appearance. They gradually make their idea of beauty the goal and forget usefulness. In fact, they do the most absurd things. They breed dogs more and more unnatural until they have developed monstrosities and then they glorify them. They develop characteristics in dogs which are decidedly inimical to the good of the dogs, all to satisfy a very ill-considered and foolish idea."
Leon F. Whitney, DVM
How To Breed Dogs
My main “warning-cry” concerns itself with the direction of the breed, which many breeders – many novices – still subscribe to, a direction that would lead us off the beaten path, far off of our breed goal; toward breed ruin.
In all my articles, lectures, and judges reports of the last few years, I have desperately tried to point out that we must cling to the breed standard of the working dog, and I gave reasons why we must do so – as it was once laid down, as a model of the breed’s design. I have emphasized over and over again that we should not get overly engrossed in details of outward characteristics, even if they are ever so attractive, when, for the breeding value of the dog, he must be based entirely and decisively upon the totality of hard constitution, good health, endurance, authentic working structure and stable temperament.
The vision, the understanding of this standard, is thus sometimes lost. Many young fanciers have unfortunately hardly ever seen correct conformation in respect to these dogs. They become intoxicated with appearance which so often has so little in common with the working dog as he is supposed to be. In this case, the only thing that helps is trusted faith in the system, until one’s pondering leads to eventual understanding. The belief in what is well meant – the thoughtful suggestions and guiding principles – are for the welfare of the breed’s future.
As with so many breeds, sport and fad breeding led to more severe evidence of natural traits, and therefore to bad breeding situations that had nothing more in common with working ability. This may seem nice to the faddist, however, for the true lover of Nature, who doesn’t engage in matters based on eye appeal, it appears as a strange caricature.
Over-sized, massiveness, height, racing ability, straight front or tucked up racing dog body would be for the shepherd an adverse perception leading to the death of the breed. And actually, some of our dogs and especially those who receive applause among the novices resemble the racing dog type in his over-sized, narrowness, tucked up appearance and effemination. The Borzoi, who hunts the wolf on the Russian prairies does not look like this; he is still a correct, rugged fellow. He who looks around at dog shows, pages through dog magazines, will find often enough that there are still a few other breed’s destinies which are threatened, that is, they are about to step out of their breed type because they are not bred upon a breed goal, but rather upon an imaginary “beauty concept”.
1929 by Max von Stephanitz,
"Cliques are built up around all breeds which are interested not in the usefulness of the breeds but in the appearance. They gradually make their idea of beauty the goal and forget usefulness. In fact, they do the most absurd things. They breed dogs more and more unnatural until they have developed monstrosities and then they glorify them. They develop characteristics in dogs which are decidedly inimical to the good of the dogs, all to satisfy a very ill-considered and foolish idea."
Leon F. Whitney, DVM
How To Breed Dogs
My main “warning-cry” concerns itself with the direction of the breed, which many breeders – many novices – still subscribe to, a direction that would lead us off the beaten path, far off of our breed goal; toward breed ruin.
In all my articles, lectures, and judges reports of the last few years, I have desperately tried to point out that we must cling to the breed standard of the working dog, and I gave reasons why we must do so – as it was once laid down, as a model of the breed’s design. I have emphasized over and over again that we should not get overly engrossed in details of outward characteristics, even if they are ever so attractive, when, for the breeding value of the dog, he must be based entirely and decisively upon the totality of hard constitution, good health, endurance, authentic working structure and stable temperament.
The vision, the understanding of this standard, is thus sometimes lost. Many young fanciers have unfortunately hardly ever seen correct conformation in respect to these dogs. They become intoxicated with appearance which so often has so little in common with the working dog as he is supposed to be. In this case, the only thing that helps is trusted faith in the system, until one’s pondering leads to eventual understanding. The belief in what is well meant – the thoughtful suggestions and guiding principles – are for the welfare of the breed’s future.
As with so many breeds, sport and fad breeding led to more severe evidence of natural traits, and therefore to bad breeding situations that had nothing more in common with working ability. This may seem nice to the faddist, however, for the true lover of Nature, who doesn’t engage in matters based on eye appeal, it appears as a strange caricature.
Over-sized, massiveness, height, racing ability, straight front or tucked up racing dog body would be for the shepherd an adverse perception leading to the death of the breed. And actually, some of our dogs and especially those who receive applause among the novices resemble the racing dog type in his over-sized, narrowness, tucked up appearance and effemination. The Borzoi, who hunts the wolf on the Russian prairies does not look like this; he is still a correct, rugged fellow. He who looks around at dog shows, pages through dog magazines, will find often enough that there are still a few other breed’s destinies which are threatened, that is, they are about to step out of their breed type because they are not bred upon a breed goal, but rather upon an imaginary “beauty concept”.
1929 by Max von Stephanitz,
by Mackenzie on 14 April 2010 - 05:04
The comments attributed to Max v Stephanitz by NoCurs in the last post are as valid today as they were when written by the founder in 1929. The problem today is that once the warnings are ignored and the ideals forsaken then the breed and it's true purpose will be lost forever. For the disbelievers I would suggest that they look outside our breed and see for themselves what has happened elsewhere with other breeds. The Kennel Club has played no small part in the downfall of so many breeds.
Mackenzie
Mackenzie
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