Flippant Comments - Page 5

pencil.have only mentioned my success to prove a point.I DO NOT ENTER AND HAVE NOT ENTERED MY CORRECT TYPE GSDS UNDER ANY ALSATIAN JUDGE BE IT THEIR BREED ONES OR ALL ROUNDERS.i did enter open shows with my first bitch as i knew no better in the beggining,knowing nothing about the 2 types.I DO HOWEVER SHOW MY ANIMALS UNDER THE JUDGES WHO IMO JUDGE TO THE STANDARD BE THEY SV JUDGES,GERMAN JUDGES FROM THE UK,CONTINENTAL JUDGES AND SOME ALL ROUNDERS.GOT IT.AND FOR YOUR INFO.A MALE PUPPY FROM MY VERY FIRST LITTER WAS ENTERED AT THE 2 DAY SHOW IN 1989,AT CALDICOTT CASTLE UNDER OWE BUCHMANN SV(i believe)40 ODD IN THE CLASS AND AFTER THE INDIVIDULES HE WAS PULLED OUT 1ST,LEAD FOR MOST OF THE CLASS AND WAS DROPPED DOWN TO 3RD AT THE LAST KNOCKINGS.DOES THAT STATEMENT TELL YU THAT I DONT OWN ALSATIANS.AND YES I WAS THINKING OF ENTERING MY BITCH THIS YEAR IF THERE IS A VETERAN CLASS AND I CAN GET THERE.I DONT DRIVE AND THEREFORE HAVE TO RELY ON THE TRAOINS ETC.AND AS MOST BREED SHOWS ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE,IT WOULD COST AND AN A LEG TO GET THERE.MAY I ASK .......IS YOUR DOG GOING TO BE ENTERED THEN.CAROLE.

The country of origin is, Germany!  I kind of knew I was going to get this... clearly you think this is some kind of revelation, Dave... it isn't! 
 
Do you really think that we DON'T love the breed?  You're telling people that they're wrong and guilty, without knowing what they have or what they breed.  What you may consider extreme... may not be... how could I possibly know?  What YOU, personally prefer may be of no importance whatsoever, if it doesn't conform to the standard.
 
I've worked most of my dogs to some degree, but they haven't always been "show worthy", it hasn't made them any less attractive to me, but I've recognised their short comings.

 You appear to have taken offence? Was not intended...Honestly. I really am trying to sit here without being critical of one type or another and put my thoughts forward to suggest what I feel would be better for the GSD as a whole.
My point is......
Would the GSD Breed not be better served as a WHOLE if EVERYONE sat down around the table in an ADULT manner from ALL sides of the Breed and said "OK let's ALL of us sort this out for the benefit of the dog"?

Yes the KC is wrong IMO but arguing amongst ourselves over what boils down to personal preferences which we are all entitled to, is not helping the dog is it? People all drive different cars. People all prefer one breed or another. That is life.

The GSD needs EVERYONE to help sort out the mess it now finds itself in. For the good of the dog. Personal differences can surely be put to one side in an adult world and there must be a way that the good of the breed can be brought to the forefront.

Whilst those "in the breed" continue to argue amongst themselves they can provide no united front to sit with the UK KC or anyone else for that matter and say "We are all together on this, please listen to us and help us to help the dogs we love and care for"

Where has the UNITY gone in the GSD? It has been divided by personal preferences for conformation, health tests and everything else.

The way forward surely is informed, sensible, adult conversations and meeting between the various factions within the GSD so that at the end of the day, we do get back to ALL GSD being happy and above all healthy.

Sure there will be disagreements at the meetings but that is what meetings always have. Adult conversation and not bitching will surely find a "common ground" on all points even if it does take a while. 

A GSD is a GSD and it needs ALL of it's charges to help it through difficult times.


PS.....I will be a while posting anymore in reply as I am off training and will not be back for a few hours so please do not think I am being rude by not replying. :)

GSDUK,yu sure do love this breed and i too would love to see a united gsd fraternity,but alas cannot see it happening in a million years.wot yu say is true......a gsd is a gsd wotever side of the fence one sits on.i,ve been on the german side from shortly after purchasing my first bitch,who was half german breeding(sire line)half english (dam line)she turned out to be typical of her sires line while a brother was typical of the dam line.she was originally bought as a pet,got into showing by accident and was hooked.i too wish that the ones in power(term used in a light sense)on both sides would sit down and debate sensibly and calmly,but cant see that happening either.it is only a small minority these days that wish to stay with the animals of the 50,s/60,s.a big fish in a small pond.that was a term that came from one who i consider has dogs that are not correct to the standard.go onto the thread LORNAVILLE.and then tell me DO YU CONSIDER THE ANIMALS SHOWN THERE ARE CORRECT.yu will see posts on there from me actually sticking up for some of them as i think quite a few although not correct imo.are much better than the ones i saw many years ago.i must say that yu have a very good sense of perception and seem to have a respectful and caring nature.i,m going to be rude now and ask ,how old are you?been nice talking to yu Dave.Carole....PS.hope the training went well.

Alas missbeeb and noddi I think you are probably right, In a perfect world eh! How many of us wouldn't like things to be different. I mean here we are being judged by the K.C and the rest of the world, when we can't even agree amongst ourselves. Personally I'm glad this thread has moved away from it's original message, which I add has long been forgotten and put behind us now.
But it has opened our eyes to the fact that most of us ARE singing a similar tune at least, Apart from the few diehards on both sides, who seem to think it's all about petty point scoring.

PENCIL, Firstly we are not as you put it "Alsationists" and these were Official German Shepherd Breed Club shows, Did you miss my point about International types as you call them being awarded CC's at these shows by these same judges,
Perhaps they thought they'd give the Alsatian shows a go.. NOT!
Two of our latest prospects,Granddaughters of the beautiful Twice sieger Yasko Vom Farbenspeil, ( No shame there then) could easily be shown at your type of show, if trained in that manner, We, as I said prefer to show our animals differently, they do pull out on the lead, and admittedly we do our own style of double handling, it's just all a bit more subdued. No you are not likely to see us at Weston Park, shame really as most people on these pages have politely asked us to come along, Pity there will always be the minority with a your not welcome attitude.  

Middle of the road if that's what we are means to us being open minded, using dogs that we feel will improve our bitches, without continuing along a path to any extreme, We are not afraid to use Good German dogs, but have a clear opinion of how far we want to go in order to keep substance & bone in our lines. Most of all Temperament, Health & Longevity are paramount.
Kevin & Carol 

fayrelander,
                      i may have a law degree and heard a lot of " double dutch " spoken in court,
but you are up there with the best.
" you say you are not attending weston park even though loads/many have asked you a long "-and as you have the correct shepherd you may well enjoy the experience. but as we know this wont happen because you DONT have the correct type.
ps. will not be adding to this post because you appear blind to reality.

Misbeeb,
Wishing for something is not in itself naive. Wishing for something that COULD happen, if only people were adult about it is hope...and the saying goes "where there is hope....." blah blah blah. This I call optimism. Maybe misguided but for the sake of the GSD I wil remain optimistic.

Yes I agree that breeding to the Breed standard IS correct. How else would we know that what we are looking for is the ideal dog? The problem is, when there is more than one Breed Standard...SV/WUSV and UK KC and add to that the fact that different people read various bits of the standard to mean different things, is it any wonder that so many variations on a theme appear?

Carole.....Over the years, people that know me both on the internet and personally would tell you that I am obsessed with the GSD. This is something I would deny....It is not an obsession....well....depends how you classify an obsession. lDepends how one interprets the description of what is an obsession....Bit like the Breed Standard(s)..

As well as my full time occupation as a First Responder on an Animal Ambulance, I spend my weekends either training my dogs, working my dogs or helping other people with their doggy related problems (all breeds) with special interest in dogs that are going to be PTS unless a solution can be found to their "issues" Does this make me a caring person? Dunno. I do what I do because I love doing it. Yes I get paid for it, but if I did what I do for the money, I would sure as hell be working in a different industry.

I have read almost every thread on here regarding the differences between the "types", I am also a member of loads of forums of both "types"....I rarely participate as I prefer to sit and read and try to understand why the hell the GSD can not receive the support it MUST have from both sides of the fence to sort out it's demise.

I am 42 this month. Don't know why you wanted to know that, but hey hey....

Training with my youngster went very well thank you. He is coming along nicely.

Fayrelander........I created a username on here and posted in this thread on purpose with the exact reason of diverting a thread with the title "Flippant Comments" to see if sensible discussion could be brought out of what was about to become another slanging match....It CAN.....so...if it can be done by one person so easily in just a few posts on a forum, how hard can it be when it comes to REAL life when the subject is such an important matter as the future of the GSD?

Best Regards To ALL (whatever your GSD looks like)

Dave

Barbara,yu have beaten me to it again.cant add anything else.yes i  too am obsessed with this breed and all animals to a point.Dave yu sound like a really nice ,caring gentleman and i wish i had a job like yours,helping animals  etc.i ask your age ,as i thought coz you,re respectful and caring yu might be my age.(brought up correctly).Pencil...am glad to see you,re not going to post on this thread any more.THANK GOD peace at last.carol and kevin,best not to rise to his critisms and assumption.most know you have dogs that fit the standard,so wot if he is the blind one.maybe he prefers the really really exgarrated ones.Carole S.