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by bazza on 09 May 2010 - 19:05

AgilityGSD, so refreshing to read a post by someone open minded like yourself, very well put and I'm sure most here will agree with you.
Miss beeb, I can believe SHE WOULD think that, just read some of her drivel. lol,lol.


by Dingodog on 09 May 2010 - 19:05

AgilityGSD
My remarks and opinions on the showline are just that, my opinions. You are entitled to yours and to air them. So am I.

You may find the showline great, I don't like the way that conformation is going. Difference of opinion. I am glad that yours are fit and healthy and compliment your boy on his successes. That isn't what this is about.

I don't breed and never will, which I why I question those that do and therefore those who direct the breed. I've agreed all along that the KC need to introduce mandatory health testing, but fail to see why you see my questioning of certain issues as comments and digs.  If you care to read my posts you will find that I never personally insult anyone, but do occasionally respond to those that do.

I believe the KC are promoting a GSD without unsoundness.  I don't know that there is a 'type' they're promoting is there? There seems to be a blurring between health testing (should be mandatory, I agree) and conformation which is an entirely different issue.

All anyone wants from their GSD is the same as what you and I want, and I (this is my opinion) don't believe that the current shape is anatomically correct for the GSD.

Yes, I hope you get to see my boy at the weekend too, I am as proud of him as you are of yours.

Would care to state who you are rather than remain anonymous?


Sue B

by Sue B on 09 May 2010 - 19:05


Apo Armani  , so much knowledge and truth in your post/s above and concerning things these non breeder know it all types like Dingodog will never understand because as non breeders they have never had to go through those type of experiences. Still, as I have said before, it takes all sorts to make a world and unfortunately there will always be people like Dingodog who profess to know everything without ever experiencing even half of what they are talking about.

Dingodog, I have probably dealt with more dog related issues in one year than you have dealt with in your lifetime in dogs, yet you profess to know better than most on this board. Fortunately the experienced amoungst us have sussed you for what you are, (I think perhaps Bazza summed you up the best), thankfully an astute Jodie (the REAL Mrs Jane Public) also had you properly pegged as a KC propoganda persona. You really do need to put your record back in its sleeve and go back to whatever it was you did for your daily amusement before you found this board, as having it constantly on repeat replay has become really tiresome, as is having to skip over every post of your repetitive drivel in search of such star posts as the one Apo Armani has just made.

German Import and son of Zamp v Thermodos , Elmo v Huhnegrab, bred by Herr Heinz Sheerer and this years 2010 WUSV judge elect at the German Sieger show for Jungend Females, has taken Best In Show at Birmingham following his three previous BOB and top three Group placings. This Sch2 Kkl1 male lived with and was trained by Lisa Dieterich who worked him through the courage test at two German Sieger Shows 2008 / 2009 and the British Sieger Show where he went onto make VA2. This dog has fullfilled and passed all the relevant Health and Character Tests with flying colours and he represents the best of German Bloodlines. JUST LIKE HIS FATHER BEFORE HIM (who was short listed in the group at Crufts 2008) HE IS ABSOLUTE PROOF THAT THE WUSV SYSTEM WORKS and produces the BEST SPECIMENS OF OUR BREED. Congrats to his UK owners John and Pauline Cullen and to his devoted Young German Friend Lisa who put in all the work and who still and always will, love him to bits. 

Best Regards
Sue

by Dingodog on 09 May 2010 - 19:05

SueB
I don't remember saying that the WUSV system didn't work.  Just that the UK isn't going to have the full WUSV system. That's not the same thing at all.

I am very happy for Lisa, especially after losing Zamp.


apoArmani

by apoArmani on 09 May 2010 - 19:05

The German Shepherd is NOT to be confused with some fashion accessory that the likes of Paris Hilton can have to match her outing schedule/attire...this Issue should never under any circumstances be negotiable. It has been an on-going endeavor of various groups to humiliate this WORKING DOG in various ways.

Any steps that are taken in the right direction so as to make new (for the UK) schemes more 'digestible' by fellow breeders would be surely welcome and certainly would NOT need to be met with antagonism for the sake of agitation and waste valuable energy of the people who are busting themselves to build something and do it with constructive responsibility.

I mean to say; its bad enough having Government restrictions with quarantene and to have the GSD kyno people (especially) the KC not seeing and not wanting to see is unbelievable. The fact that the UK has now distanced itself from other 'newer' to the breed - countries, should be disturbing to all.

For those who are not breeders; but are active in different canine activities/sports with their dogs; they are the ones that should be right behind any scheme that is there for the health (including mental health) issues of the GSD. They are the ones that will go out looking to buy a puppy for their activity. To them, perhaps, the finer details of anatomy may not matter, BUT, sound minds, with willingness to carry out tasks, trainability, orthopedic faultlessness MUST be at the top of their criteria and of those who breed and exhibit in this one and only way.

NoCurs

by NoCurs on 09 May 2010 - 20:05

"Take this trouble for me: Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim." Rittermeister Captain Max von Stephanitz 1864-1936

These words are so sad today...   So sad. If you look at the youtube vide of the Zamp progeny group... A parade of hyenas.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBiNdqMpwDc&feature=related   hock walkers.

Dingodog, you are the only one on here who does not resort to childish name calling. That speaks volumes.

apoArmani

by apoArmani on 09 May 2010 - 20:05

videx,bazza,missbeeb,SueB: Thank you all for your kind words...All the Best

by AgilityGSD on 09 May 2010 - 20:05


DingoDog.....


Yes you are very right, you are entitled to your opinions, but it think you are missing the points of others on here.  (my opinion)

Yes it's not about type or shape or what you like or what I like - it's about health and fit for purpose. All I know is that if 'ALL' breeders (no matter what type or shape or camp or side of the fence they are on) were to follow the GSDL guidelines on health testing (which were put forward to the KC) then GSD would be 'fit for purpose'.  As things stand now the KC are 'NOT' promoting soundness, they are promoting themselves as usual?

regards
Agility GSD

apoArmani

by apoArmani on 09 May 2010 - 20:05

NoCurs,

Please note..."Let me Analyze:

If one is to follow the path of the WUSV; whether for the sport-type or show-type, there are common grounds which meet at the point of health-fitness, and breeding worthiness; consolidated in the known Breed Survey. It doesn't matter if your young dog gets 300 points in his/her SchH/IPO examinations, or indeed is place 1st in the youth classes 50 times; in order for either of these dogs to get breeding worthiness (regardless of whether they are to be in category BSCL/KKL1 (recommended for breeding) or BSCL/KKL 2 (acceptable for breeding), they must fulfill certain criteria:..."

by AgilityGSD on 09 May 2010 - 20:05

apoArmani ............Here Here Well Said !!!!!!!!!!

regards
Agility GSD





 


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