KC Meeting with GSD club representatives -(fact not fiction) - Page 4

Let me make it VERY clear. here in Great Britain, under the auspices of the GSDL/WUSV organisation we can retain a British GSD Breed Survey for EVER and EVER. We can also develop our British GSD Breed Survey at our own pace and with our own changes or additions when and if necessary, always ensuring the number of GSD owners putting their GSD through the GSD Breed Survey grows and grows. Many possible changes need several years to be progressively introduced, starting with it being desirable and eventually becoming a requirement. 

We obviously recognise the SV Korung and other countries Breed Surveys, especially those from other European countries, if so desired and determined.

We are many decades behind Germany regarding their introduction and their development of qualifications for GSD, and we will take whatever time is needed to introduce innovative and beneficial arrangements to suit our breed here within Great Britain.

The CLUE is in our countries name - We are in Great Britain, NOT in Germany, it will be our "fully inclusive" British system, whilst fully accommodating all those that wish to pursue the FULL German SV qualification system, up to and including VA titles.

It is called CHOICE.- we have it, and we will keep it.

An informative reply,

Whilst the UK will recognise the Korung and other countries' breed surveys, will they recognise ours? I appreciate that the UK breed survey can be retained for ever & ever, but what happens if recognition is granted? Would those breed surveys that had been undertaken, missing some of the critical elements of a full Koerung, be acceptable by the WUSV when they do not fit the criteria, or would it then be a requirement that to compete, all dogs would by then have to have a Koerung or comparable survey?

I get the CLUE, but the British System will need to be recognised by Germany in the long term, who do have very specific and very rigid requirements.

Is it likely then, that official recognition of titles will not happen until the conditions that are now desirable become a requirement?

I agree with choice, I think all should have it, and all be entitled to keep it.

Recognition in Britain for showing in Britain is what matters. We are setting up a system for British bred GSD, to be shown in Britain which requires identification and health screening etc. (the breed survey includes these conditions). In your obvious ignorance and your obvious baiting and nitpicking of our development of the GSDL/WUSV system you illustrate all the ignorance of someone who sees this development as a huge threat to the Kennel Club, or someone who sees their own "GSD clique" being undermined because they will not or cannot participate in the GSDL/WUSV system and therefore will be "exposed" for what they really are, in any direct comparison to our "correct International GSD". Live with it, it is called "DIFFERENTIATION" - and what a huge and important differentiation it will create, and the British public will see it very clearly.

When GSD are shown in Germany, the Korung is not a requirement until they are 3.5 years old. If and when a British GSD is shown in any other country it will require the qualifications determined by that country.

I am rapidly coming to the opinion that you may be CAROLINE KISKO  - the ambitious KC Secretary, with a history in sled dogs, with visits to the USA & Canada and in CONTROLLING things here in the UK with her friend the ambitious Simon Luxmoore (KC General Committee) 

Oh, and I thought finally this was going so well.

Recognition in Britain for showing in Britain - yes, but who is doing the recognising?   I'm not nitpicking or criticising as you put it, just trying to get the whole picture of where this New Group is going with the GSD, why do you have a problem with that? When I am 'ignorant' about something, I ask questions to try and fix it, that's why I keep asking questions, because I don't know the answer!

For the record, I also try and keep track of what the KC are doing, but the information is more public and easily available (especially as they issue regular statements) . If a KC official were to come on here, I would really love to ask them some questions too. So it isn't just the New Age group I'm interested in, it's both.

So - No I don't have a GSD clique, so have no fear of anything being 'undermined'. I don't show or breed, nor would I want to under the KC or the GSDL/WUSV. As I said before, we compete in agility and obedience - different world.

I am happy to 'Live with it', I would just like to understand it, and I just don't get why you have such a problem with that.

And, finally.....No I am not Caroline Kisco either. I am in fact what everybody here terms Joe Public, and I don't think that Joe Public gets treated very well by the GSD fraternity if the responses on this forum are anything to go by.  I would ask where you would be without Joe Public?  Who would buy your puppies, especially those that don't 'make the grade' for your shows? Yes, I'm guessing that would be Joe Public .

i dont think its only DP that thinks all doesnt seem right about yu Dingodog.i have been reading your posts and agreeing with a lot yu have said but methinks for JOE PUBLIC yu know an awful lot about the gsd(and thats not a bad thing) BUT YU DO KNOW A HELL OF A LOT OF INFORMATION ABOUT THE SHOW SCENE FOR A PET OWNER THAT ONLY DOES AGILITY AND OBEDIENCE.aren,t these activities also regulated by the uk kennel club??????i wouldn,t have thought that the gsd pet owners would know anything about Dr.Malcolm Willis or the breed council magazine.i,ve come to the conclusion that your interest in the new regime of the germanic fraternity or should i phrase that as obsession IS NOT AS INNOCENT AS YU WANT US TO BELIEVE.Carole S.

Dingodog,

I too am Joe Public - a puppy buying pet owner, however this is where the similarity between us ends!  It seems to me that you only come on here to criticise and and try to belittle the efforts of those who are trying to do their best for and improve the breed.  You have stated that you do not breed and have no interest in showing, so I don't understand why you feel you have to come on here and argue with those that do.  You say that Joe Public do not get treated very well by the GSD fraternity, which quite frankly is a load of rubbish!  I have seen many members of Joe Public on this site that have been given help - it is your attitude that provokes such a negative reaction from people!  You defend the KC and constantly criticise, goad and pick fault with those that are trying to improve things for the breed, but what are you actually doing to try and improve things?  As a member of the puppy buying public I do not have a great deal of knowledge about many things to do with the GSD, however I am 100% behind the GSD fraternity as I want to be sure that I am buying puppies that are from health checked parents and I applaud their efforts to make health testing mandatory and to not bow down to the KC!