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by jaymesie51 on 11 August 2010 - 07:08
I agree that a quarterly price for the mag is the way to go via direct debit, but not a quarterly mag, if it costs £7 to produce then charge £8 to £10 per mag if £8 that is only £2 per week not a great amount in fact cheaper than the dog papers with a lot more info than them, the gsd mag for gsdl members although a very good mag it is a quarterly mag and there for not as up to date as a monthly mag, ie show dates matings puppies articles etc,, we all agree that it needs a re vamp to bring it into the 21st centuary so any ideas for this should welcome even if it had to go bi-monthly still preferable to a quarterly mag.
jim h
jim h
by Penny on 11 August 2010 - 07:08
I think that the League Magazine - quarterly - really fits the bill for a template for the Nat Mag. It is full of interesting articles, results, pictures reviews etc - and lets face it, to fill a mag quarterly is much easier than monthly, the months fly by, and we are already one month in arrears for any news with the Breed Council Mag, so that might be why we dont get matchings and hatchings. No one is going to advertise their litter knowing that it wont be until the following month that it is shown.
If the BC worked in conjunction with the League and brought out the Mat Mag quarterly but at a mid way time between the Leagues, we would all be getting a Mag some 6 weekly, - and I am sure that most people are GSDL members, so will only be missing two weeks between magazines if they take both. Flip, does that make sense, I know what I mean.
Mo.
If the BC worked in conjunction with the League and brought out the Mat Mag quarterly but at a mid way time between the Leagues, we would all be getting a Mag some 6 weekly, - and I am sure that most people are GSDL members, so will only be missing two weeks between magazines if they take both. Flip, does that make sense, I know what I mean.
Mo.
by Penny on 11 August 2010 - 08:08
Thoughts again for a wider audience....
My little Grandson sold back copies at a show last year - copies that were sitting as dead money in the BC purse, and he raised a few quid - perhaps this is a good idea for the hundreds of back copies that didnt sell, 1/2 price is better than nothing if we could organise a point of getting them to shows and back, as we cant expect Sheila to attend shows just to sell back copies.
Also, perhaps we should ask Sheila if we can have them for our puppy packs, with a subscription form inside. I think puppy buyers would love the thought of a glossy mag given in puppy packs, and would be enthusiastic at that point too... This is where we need to get more health and information related articles in there, to draw in new customers - and perhaps we didnt payh for them, but worked at generating a subscription from our puppy buyers....
Also, a long shot, drop a few in at vets that we know are specific to GSD`s i.e. ones that breeders use and let Sheila know of, that are visited for BVA hips and Elbows a lot becvause they know their stuff.
Mo.
My little Grandson sold back copies at a show last year - copies that were sitting as dead money in the BC purse, and he raised a few quid - perhaps this is a good idea for the hundreds of back copies that didnt sell, 1/2 price is better than nothing if we could organise a point of getting them to shows and back, as we cant expect Sheila to attend shows just to sell back copies.
Also, perhaps we should ask Sheila if we can have them for our puppy packs, with a subscription form inside. I think puppy buyers would love the thought of a glossy mag given in puppy packs, and would be enthusiastic at that point too... This is where we need to get more health and information related articles in there, to draw in new customers - and perhaps we didnt payh for them, but worked at generating a subscription from our puppy buyers....
Also, a long shot, drop a few in at vets that we know are specific to GSD`s i.e. ones that breeders use and let Sheila know of, that are visited for BVA hips and Elbows a lot becvause they know their stuff.
Mo.
by jaymesie51 on 11 August 2010 - 09:08
Some very good idea's there Mo
jim h
jim h
by Sue B on 11 August 2010 - 11:08
Having tried to make No Comment by keeping away from this thread and indeed this database certain things already said here has made it very difficult for me to do so because I see absolutely no point in resurrecting something that without major changes to the BC structure will only repeat itself over again.
I have been voting for years to increase the mag to the price it cost to produce it, yes produce it, not to put it into profit just to break even. For some reason certain people seem to think non of you lot will be prepared to pay the price increase but as I believed if that was so then we either need to stop producing it or lower the cost by giving you a cheaper version (non glossy for example), but no-one wanted to reduce the quality (and to be honest neither did I) but you cant have it both ways and continue indefinitely , hence the inevitable demise of the mag was only a matter of time.
Then we have the personality issues that Mo (penny) addressed earlier. Over the years 'we' the panel have requested that ALL the panel should be consulted before ANY controversial issues are printed in the Mag, banging ones head against a brick wall comes to mind here (as does many issues relating to BC matters) because no matter how good it may be in some ways, in others it remains fraught with problems. Take the last two months for example the Non Signee clubs have been attacked in LTT in both issues, so it begs the question "Who edits the editor?". Ironically it was these very same clubs that were the ONLY ONES (other than the Clubs represented by the BC Sec and Chairman) that bothered to turn up at the LAST BC meting and given you could argue that as BC Officers the other two had a duty to be in attendance regardless, the 7 non signee clubs presence was the only thing giving the BC any credence to its continued existence.
When all said and done, it was the KC themselves who choose to bypass the BC and go directly to the Clubs a trend that so far looks likely to continue, so it is the KC who have rendered attending BC meetings a waste of time and money for most clubs and considering that over the years most of what the majority of Clubs have voted for is so often ignored once the meeting is over, who can blame them for deciding they would rather spend their Saturdays following more useful pursuits.
That for what its worth is how it is, an opinion of which I know many share albeit some don't like to admit it, then there's the minority who choose to hide their head in the sand and ignore it, but the truth is ONLY a handful will choose to deny it. AT the end of the day truth will out, it just takes some truths longer than others to surface.
With deepest sympathy for the death of a BC
Sue b
I have been voting for years to increase the mag to the price it cost to produce it, yes produce it, not to put it into profit just to break even. For some reason certain people seem to think non of you lot will be prepared to pay the price increase but as I believed if that was so then we either need to stop producing it or lower the cost by giving you a cheaper version (non glossy for example), but no-one wanted to reduce the quality (and to be honest neither did I) but you cant have it both ways and continue indefinitely , hence the inevitable demise of the mag was only a matter of time.
Then we have the personality issues that Mo (penny) addressed earlier. Over the years 'we' the panel have requested that ALL the panel should be consulted before ANY controversial issues are printed in the Mag, banging ones head against a brick wall comes to mind here (as does many issues relating to BC matters) because no matter how good it may be in some ways, in others it remains fraught with problems. Take the last two months for example the Non Signee clubs have been attacked in LTT in both issues, so it begs the question "Who edits the editor?". Ironically it was these very same clubs that were the ONLY ONES (other than the Clubs represented by the BC Sec and Chairman) that bothered to turn up at the LAST BC meting and given you could argue that as BC Officers the other two had a duty to be in attendance regardless, the 7 non signee clubs presence was the only thing giving the BC any credence to its continued existence.
When all said and done, it was the KC themselves who choose to bypass the BC and go directly to the Clubs a trend that so far looks likely to continue, so it is the KC who have rendered attending BC meetings a waste of time and money for most clubs and considering that over the years most of what the majority of Clubs have voted for is so often ignored once the meeting is over, who can blame them for deciding they would rather spend their Saturdays following more useful pursuits.
That for what its worth is how it is, an opinion of which I know many share albeit some don't like to admit it, then there's the minority who choose to hide their head in the sand and ignore it, but the truth is ONLY a handful will choose to deny it. AT the end of the day truth will out, it just takes some truths longer than others to surface.
With deepest sympathy for the death of a BC
Sue b
by Penny on 11 August 2010 - 12:08
Hear Hear Sue....... well said and very true. Mo.
by gsm44 on 11 August 2010 - 13:08
The only magazine I've ever come across on the breed was the one I picked up at last year's Sieger Show.
It was an "Our Dogs" special issue "Sieger 2008",a great read with a lot of interesting articles and comments from breeders.
If the B.C. magazine is anything like as good then I would take out a subscription.
by missbeeb on 11 August 2010 - 14:08
I so looked forward to getting my BC magazine every month, but perhaps the death knell has been sounding for some time.
I know a few people (I was one of them) who stopped getting the mag because of the content; sick of seeing our own breed slated (working scene) in our own mag!
I/we have been "told off" for voicing our opinions on this very forum... but look at what's written in the mag! I believe it's wrong to "award" oneself a platform and use it so! I would not, therefore, have been re-newing my subscription... though I am sorry that it has come to this. Maybe it's too late to have some impartiality in the editing and some forward thinking in the marketing? I don't know.... but there have been a few very good ideas put forward on this thread.
by jaymesie51 on 12 August 2010 - 07:08
I really cannot understand how the reps on the BC do nothing about this if one person yes just one person seems to rule the roost and the clubs are unhappy about this, vote this person out because from what i gather this would seem to be the problem, no one person is the BC it is all the members of all the clubs, maybe i have got this wrong but that is how it comes across the BC take a vote it is passed and then nothing wtf is that about in my time attending NUM meetings once a vote had been taken and passed it was acted upon no matter how you voted you accepted the democratic vote From what i am lead to believe when a vote is passed at the BC and this person does not like it it gets put on the back burner no wonder the BC and the mag are in dire straits if this is indeed true who can blame clubs not sending reps when it would seem to be a one sided BC. I also feel it is a sad state of affairs that the reps actually allow this to happen
jim h
jim h
by Sue B on 12 August 2010 - 10:08
Jim h said , "..in my time attending NUM meetings................................... I also feel it is a sad state of affairs that the reps actually allow this to happen"
So what do you think they should have done then Jim, gone on strike?!! RAOTFL
Sue x
So what do you think they should have done then Jim, gone on strike?!! RAOTFL
Sue x
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