I'm a backyard breeder........... - Page 4

I owned a Marko son in 1975 out of a Meik v Peltzierferm daughter. He was bi-color and I put a Sch one on him in late seventies. Sch was still in infancy at that time. The dog had great conformation and superb temperament.

Star Chart agree with your post. I also have a rescue dog and was also very sad and shocked to see so many German Shepherds at the shelter. Breeding should only be done to better the breed, not to produce more puppies for profit. I do not know about the op dogs. If they are titled and OFA.
Michele

 Charlie, what qualifies as a 'Marko Cellerand" male? I mean, what generation? I mean, I have a Bernd Lierberg (linebred no less, LOL) male I don't breed. Am I wasting him? 

To Cliff and Jim...Caleb has Marko in 5th gen. Seems the 3 of us tend to gravitate toward all the same dogs. You guys must be really smart. ROFL

Hot!!!!

 OGBS, don't make the moderators moderate you!!!

I thought this was turning into a good discussion. Now it seems everyone left. 

Yes, I refer to the Marko vom Cellerand that was born in 1968. I used Marko as an example of an extinct or nearly extinct bloodline of great merit. There are very fine dogs and bloodlines that are ahrder to find than hen's teeth in the US because the breeders take a relatively simplistic approach to breeding and consider "improving the breed" as breeding a better cookie-cutter dog. Lost in the fray for the dollars of the ignorant ego-buyers is a good amount of highly desirable genetic diversity. That is why showlines are not as aloof as we'd like them and the W/L's are headed down the same road but in a different direction. While I don't espouse breeding dogs indiscriminately, keeping some of these traits in the gene pool is a worthwhile objective.

i think byb is kind of a catch all phrase.  it pretty much includes anyone who is not a big name, big time breeder.  personally, i think guarantees are the difference between byb & puppy mills.  ofa cert, titles, and breed surveys are sure nice to have, but they are no guarantee of what a breeding will produce.  a breeder who stands behind every dog he sells 100% is the guy/gal that actually puts some thought into the breeding and cares more for the animals than the money when they are willing to take them back if things don't work out.  jmho.
pjp

Charlie, you didn't answer my question as to what qualifies a dog as, for example, a "Marko Cellerand male"?

Ziegenfarm... I agree about guarantees. If someone stands behind something 100%, you can be fairly certain that they've got good reason to do so. I sadly know of "big name" breeders who have not stood behind their dogs on many levels. This, plus the indescriminant sales (meaning they'll sell anyone any dog, regardless of whether it's a "match") makes them BYBs in my book.

I will admit to angering more than a couple people when I told them a certain dog/pup was not for them, but this is how I can boast that every dog/pup I've ever sold is still where I put it.

What is your purpose for breeding if it is not for money?  What are your breeding goals? What do you hope to produce?  Are any of your pups working in police,military,search and rescue? The german shepherd is suppose to be breed for work,not so people can have cute pets. If they want a pet breed labs. I just don't believe you. I think you just want to breed for the money and don't want to put in the work to prove your dogs are worthy of being breed.  You are the problem.  Go to the selter and you will find many dogs breed by people like you.  Not only are you contributing to the unwanted pet problem. But you are damaging the reputation of the Gsd.  People like you are the reason that the Mals are taking over in the working dog world.  Spay you dogs and enjoy them for the pets they are.