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by missbeeb on 24 October 2010 - 09:10
Fact : Diara has good hips; to my knowledge, her elbows are unscored... as are a good many animals bred from in this country!
Nurture v nature... how was your puppy reared? Good food? Correct exercise? No OTT jumping / too much playing with other dogs etc? Her sister has good hips & elbows; you don't even mention your dogs elbows... were they scored? Does it not suit your purpose to mention them?
I'm with Bazza... and incidentally, if you think any other decent breeder will sell you a puppy after this nasty piece, you may well be mistaken!
I have a dog (in partnership) with Sue & Jim and a friend has a litter sister... we've had no problems whatsoever. Neither have many others that I've spoken to!
Barbara MacKenzie
by bazza on 24 October 2010 - 09:10
So when your vet xrayed at 2 years did he not say at the time the hips did not look good? I would think with such a high score he might have noticed. Can't understand why you would then have your vet "rake" them out some time later, and submit them for scoring. Unless you had some ulterior motive!!! I still think someone is working you from the back, like one of the 2 Sue haters that have joined you here. God I feel sorry for that dog of yours, no longer a commodity so lets now get something back, it's only taken you 3 years after all!!! Go look after your female, and do things the right way instead of trying to bad mouth a reputable breeder on a Internet chat forum.
by Jodie on 24 October 2010 - 09:10
Wind my neck in?? Going by that response and your original post, I find it hard to believe that you never raised your voice!!
I too am with Bazza, there is more to this story than you are saying.
I too am with Bazza, there is more to this story than you are saying.
by NO FEAR on 24 October 2010 - 10:10
Barbara
Wise up ! Bazza , wipe your tongue ! Jodie go back to sleep !
Facts are facts ! It doesnt matter when this puppies hips were scored ! Her hips are bad & puppy should either be replaced or money refunded !
by after6cpl on 24 October 2010 - 10:10
Good for you Bazza and missbeeb you have alot to learn.First of all my dogs are fed on the best Arden Grange everyone entitled to there opinion.2ND the vet told me last year her hips were to bed no point in sending them away back then i did not understand we need to send them away for breed survey.Sue has known this for a year so before i started this argument i had the plates sent away.3rd her elbows are fine they came back 0.Kapish bazza and missbeeb i do hope you understand now.Also i have emailed her told her she has until wednesday to sort this problem out or I WILL TAKE HER TO COURT.I have nothing to loose here Sue does her SO CALLED FABULOUS REPUTATION.Good day all.xx
by missbeeb on 24 October 2010 - 11:10
Let me share a few facts with you all.
If one purposely breeds from animals with proven poor health condition/s (hips) and subsequently produces puppies with the same condition; then and only then, would that person be liable!
How could Sue have known the hip score before you had them scored? Vets have mis-read scores on countless ocassions! Clearly, it is YOU who has much to learn for few breeders would take your Vet's word as gospel.
I know that Sue always provides a contract and endorses registrations, "progeny not to be registered"... check your paperwork, for the courts certainly will.
At the moment, Sue's sweet old girl (Kally 13 years) is very ill, indeed her days are numbered, therefore, she is unlikely to be giving crapola like this any kind of priority... nor should she!
by pencil on 24 October 2010 - 12:10
missbeeb:
to use your words, let me share a few facts with you !!
buying a dog is no different than a washing machine, in the eyes of the law,they both should be fit for purpose.of course the breeder cannot know at the time of sale about the hips/elbows, but once they are informed they should do something about it eg.another dog or money back.sadly a lot of breeders get away with murder because the public do not know their rights.
i fail to see the relevance of your other point about endorsing the registration, thats nowt to do with it.
by missbeeb on 24 October 2010 - 12:10
Pencil, I have long since given up trying to make sense of your bad attitude toward people in general and Sue Belfield in particular, but contracts are contracts... right? Oh, I know you reneged on yours with Steve Foran, so your word is worth, what? Yup, not too much! No surprise there!
Nurture v nature Pencil... if the dog rearing is at fault (and we don't know that it isn't) that has a huge bearing on matters and so does a contract. Most would agree that you should NOT put a puppy over jumps, because of the damage it can do... yes?
Now, I do believe you informed us that you were a solicitor! One can only assume, that it's a different kind of soliciting, for you're no legal help to anyone!
by Abby Normal on 24 October 2010 - 13:10
I am so sorry to hear that Sue's oldie is very ill. She certainly won't want to deal with this right now, and I agree for once with Miss Beeb that neither should she, perhaps you should take this into account rather than demanding deadlines for resolution, there is just no worse time for a dog owner.
Pencil you made a ridiculous suggestion that the OP should now breed from a dog with known bad hips to get her money back - that is simply outrageous. If the dam had good hips, a pup with bad hips is just bad luck, there is no case to prove that the dam is not fit for purpose. Granted it is for the breeder to deal with this situation gracefully when it arises, but there is no requirement that I can think of (unless it is in the contract) that means she has to give a refund or replace the puppy. All that you can realistically ask from the breeder is moral support!
It is devastating to get bad news about the hips, but it happens. I know - been there done that. But never did I blame the breeder as all the hips behind the dog were good.
Everyone seems to be very hot under the collar about this. I don't think the blame should be directed at how the puppy was raised. That alone cannot cause HD unless the dog is already predisposed towards it. I simply think the OP needs to understand that this can happen to anyone. Some breeders don't deal with these things well, and some do. But the outcome is the same and it can and does happen in the best of breedings.
Pencil you made a ridiculous suggestion that the OP should now breed from a dog with known bad hips to get her money back - that is simply outrageous. If the dam had good hips, a pup with bad hips is just bad luck, there is no case to prove that the dam is not fit for purpose. Granted it is for the breeder to deal with this situation gracefully when it arises, but there is no requirement that I can think of (unless it is in the contract) that means she has to give a refund or replace the puppy. All that you can realistically ask from the breeder is moral support!
It is devastating to get bad news about the hips, but it happens. I know - been there done that. But never did I blame the breeder as all the hips behind the dog were good.
Everyone seems to be very hot under the collar about this. I don't think the blame should be directed at how the puppy was raised. That alone cannot cause HD unless the dog is already predisposed towards it. I simply think the OP needs to understand that this can happen to anyone. Some breeders don't deal with these things well, and some do. But the outcome is the same and it can and does happen in the best of breedings.
by Videx on 24 October 2010 - 13:10
Caveat emptor - "Let the buyer beware"
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