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by Abby Normal on 04 March 2011 - 09:03
Absolutely 100% agree.
There should be no secrecy surrounding health for whatever reason. I believe all breeds need to take a progressive approach and take advantage of the opportunities that science is now offering. Certainly a much more enlightened approach than just publishing clears which was suggested earlier.
This raises another question as to who will make the recommendations/set direction for health tests recommended in the GSD breed, and indeed who is currently advising the breed council or whoever about health matters? It clearly cannot be left to members of the various clubs/committees/council to decide, as there is clear disagreement between members over some testing, so it needs to be (preferably) an independent geneticist guiding the breed.
Time for the GSD breed to organise a health seminar ? The GSDL health issues page does not even mention JRD, and don't get me started on the 'canine seizures' page.
There should be no secrecy surrounding health for whatever reason. I believe all breeds need to take a progressive approach and take advantage of the opportunities that science is now offering. Certainly a much more enlightened approach than just publishing clears which was suggested earlier.
This raises another question as to who will make the recommendations/set direction for health tests recommended in the GSD breed, and indeed who is currently advising the breed council or whoever about health matters? It clearly cannot be left to members of the various clubs/committees/council to decide, as there is clear disagreement between members over some testing, so it needs to be (preferably) an independent geneticist guiding the breed.
Time for the GSD breed to organise a health seminar ? The GSDL health issues page does not even mention JRD, and don't get me started on the 'canine seizures' page.
by Videx on 04 March 2011 - 10:03
Abby Normal wrote:
"Certainly a much more enlightened approach than just publishing clears which was suggested earlier."
This approach is to deal with the current situation and the acute reluctance by owners/breeders to publish results. This approach at least lets everyone know where many of the "clears" are. They can use the published "clear" results to assist in their choice of Stud Dog and puppy purchases. A realistic and somewhat useful approach must be adopted for the current piecemeal situation.
PROPOSAL
A conference of ALL the individual Kennel Club Licensed National Breed Clubs should be organised, with say TWO Representatives from each. The agenda should ONLY include items similar to the following:
1) The Kennel Club should require by (date) that ALL health screening tests will require "identification verification" though a microchip.
2) The Kennel Club should require by (date) that all puppies in a litter must be micro-chipped as a "condition of Kennel Club registration".
3) The Kennel Club should require by (date) that ALL health screening test results will include on each of the individual "TEST" documentation a REQUIREMENT, by the owner of the dog being tested, to sign
4) The Kennel Club should implement by (date) a system for ALL health Screening Test Results to be published on their website for each individual breed and to make this information available in pdf file format to facilitate downloading by members of the public.
5) The Kennel Club should by (date) compulsory health screening tests, appropriate to each breed, through "consultation" with appropriate Representatives of each breed.
6) The Kennel Club should introduce by (date) a "Breeders License" for each individual pedigree dog which the owner(s) wants to breed from and register the puppies with the Kennel Club. The requirements for obtaining a Kennel Club "Breeding License" to be subject to prior consultation with National Breed Clubs.
I firmly believe that a strong and co-ordinated approach to the Kennel Club on this or a similar proposal, by a significant cross section of all National Breed Clubs (it does not require all of them, or even a majority of them) will achieve significant success.
People Power formed in this collective and co-ordinated way,and consisting of influential Representatives of National Breed Clubs will be impossible for the Kennel Club to ignore.
This would establish a very useful and powerful platform for future representations to the Kennel Club on "important issues" affecting Pedigree Dogs.
"Certainly a much more enlightened approach than just publishing clears which was suggested earlier."
This approach is to deal with the current situation and the acute reluctance by owners/breeders to publish results. This approach at least lets everyone know where many of the "clears" are. They can use the published "clear" results to assist in their choice of Stud Dog and puppy purchases. A realistic and somewhat useful approach must be adopted for the current piecemeal situation.
PROPOSAL
A conference of ALL the individual Kennel Club Licensed National Breed Clubs should be organised, with say TWO Representatives from each. The agenda should ONLY include items similar to the following:
1) The Kennel Club should require by (date) that ALL health screening tests will require "identification verification" though a microchip.
2) The Kennel Club should require by (date) that all puppies in a litter must be micro-chipped as a "condition of Kennel Club registration".
3) The Kennel Club should require by (date) that ALL health screening test results will include on each of the individual "TEST" documentation a REQUIREMENT, by the owner of the dog being tested, to sign
4) The Kennel Club should implement by (date) a system for ALL health Screening Test Results to be published on their website for each individual breed and to make this information available in pdf file format to facilitate downloading by members of the public.
5) The Kennel Club should by (date) compulsory health screening tests, appropriate to each breed, through "consultation" with appropriate Representatives of each breed.
6) The Kennel Club should introduce by (date) a "Breeders License" for each individual pedigree dog which the owner(s) wants to breed from and register the puppies with the Kennel Club. The requirements for obtaining a Kennel Club "Breeding License" to be subject to prior consultation with National Breed Clubs.
I firmly believe that a strong and co-ordinated approach to the Kennel Club on this or a similar proposal, by a significant cross section of all National Breed Clubs (it does not require all of them, or even a majority of them) will achieve significant success.
People Power formed in this collective and co-ordinated way,and consisting of influential Representatives of National Breed Clubs will be impossible for the Kennel Club to ignore.
This would establish a very useful and powerful platform for future representations to the Kennel Club on "important issues" affecting Pedigree Dogs.
by Doppelganger on 04 March 2011 - 11:03
Tell me when and where and I will be there. I think it would have the support of the majority of people 'in the breeds' but the first hurdle to overcome would be an outright refusal by the KC to accept anything that 'demanded' their action rather than offered suggestions as that is how they work. Maybe its time to set something like this up and show them (and the puppy buying public who delight in 'pedigree dog breeder bashing') that their 'customers' are no longer prepared to have health issues swept under the carpet.
I am usually critical of your 'my way is the only way' approach David, but in this instance I think you have the right idea and would love to see this suggestion in the dog papers and see the response.
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I am usually critical of your 'my way is the only way' approach David, but in this instance I think you have the right idea and would love to see this suggestion in the dog papers and see the response.
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by Doppelganger on 04 March 2011 - 11:03
Perhaps another way to approach this would be to form an 'ethical dog breeders society' whose members would conform to regulations such as those outlined above which would blow the Accredited Breeder Scheme out of the water and would more than likely have the support of the veterinary profession who are already calling for more stringent regulations for breeding.
With the increased use of the internet such a society would be easy to set up although I realise that the checking of members claims and credentials would pose possible difficulties, but I am sure there are ways and means.
With the increased use of the internet such a society would be easy to set up although I realise that the checking of members claims and credentials would pose possible difficulties, but I am sure there are ways and means.
by Penny on 04 March 2011 - 16:03
Time I did some breed notes David, may I put your proposal to print, then we will see. Mo.
by Videx on 04 March 2011 - 17:03
Certainly Mo, I have edited it into an article for publication and for on my website. I will email it to you.
by Doppelganger on 04 March 2011 - 19:03
Can I run it past some other groups I am on?
by Videx on 04 March 2011 - 20:03
I have placed the article on my website, you may download it and send it to others.
http://www.videxgsd.com/health_screening_test_policy.htm
http://www.videxgsd.com/health_screening_test_policy.htm
by Abby Normal on 04 March 2011 - 23:03
Yes, agree with all those points. The Kennel Club is the organisation that has the means and infrastructure to implement these plans.
I agree with Doppelganger though that the KC need to be negotiated with and not demanded of, since that approach will just end in a further breakdown. Love them or loathe them, they have the money and the infrastructure to implement a variety of schemes, and I have always been convinced that progress can be made. 'Give' a little to get a lot, and set personal feelings aside IMO would be the best approach.
I agree with Doppelganger though that the KC need to be negotiated with and not demanded of, since that approach will just end in a further breakdown. Love them or loathe them, they have the money and the infrastructure to implement a variety of schemes, and I have always been convinced that progress can be made. 'Give' a little to get a lot, and set personal feelings aside IMO would be the best approach.
by Videx on 05 March 2011 - 00:03
Crumbs or a slice of bread, I will always try for the Loaf.
Pedigree dogs in the UK will only make meaningful and sustainable progress by one of two ways.
1) when large numbers of Breeders realise the Kennel Club are there to serve us, NOT the other way around, and make their feeling known very publicly.
2) Other organisations are created that will do what the Kennel Club have not done or will not do.
I believe the latter will prove to be the way.
Pedigree dogs in the UK will only make meaningful and sustainable progress by one of two ways.
1) when large numbers of Breeders realise the Kennel Club are there to serve us, NOT the other way around, and make their feeling known very publicly.
2) Other organisations are created that will do what the Kennel Club have not done or will not do.
I believe the latter will prove to be the way.
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