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by Schaferhunden on 08 March 2011 - 21:03
http://www.ktla.com/videobeta/?watchId=93df5949-ea70-404a-b484-52a7a774e936
by Schaferhunden on 08 March 2011 - 21:03
AD by Black DDR Janice Bartmass breeding partner
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/classifieds/117081.html
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/classifieds/117081.html
by VomMarischal on 08 March 2011 - 21:03
I THINK those are Judy's puppies. Janice had no babies at her place.
by Jenni78 on 08 March 2011 - 21:03
S- those must be Judy's puppies, as an ad was placed today, and obviously Janice didn't place that one, lol.
While it's easy to place blame and 'guilt by association' we have to remember how cunning Janice can be and how someone naive could be pulled into her web and fooled into believing her. I think Judy should be able to get her dogs back if they have nothing against her in terms of care. While I would never be that trusting as to send my dog to someone, I am of a totally different personality type.
While it's easy to place blame and 'guilt by association' we have to remember how cunning Janice can be and how someone naive could be pulled into her web and fooled into believing her. I think Judy should be able to get her dogs back if they have nothing against her in terms of care. While I would never be that trusting as to send my dog to someone, I am of a totally different personality type.
by ShelleyR on 08 March 2011 - 21:03
Nightmares of Helser history.
by hexe on 08 March 2011 - 21:03
www.dailybreeze.com/news/ci_17547484
This article has two photos showing two of the dogs that were seized.
This whole thing makes me nauseous. VomMarischal, I applaud you and Don for doing what was in your power to try and help both the elderly woman and the dogs, knowing that you were limited and would probably have to battle just to get anyone with some authority in the matter to listen to you. I wish that there was some way to prevent this delusionally-evil woman from ever having the life of ANYTHING in her hands again....
And whoever said they wished the Bartmess' pictures weren't shown because they had crazy eyes, I co-sign that, at least as far as Janice Bartmess goes--she's got Charlie Manson eyes all the way. But Greg Bartmess actually looks like a pleasant, normal person...I don't see the crazy in his eyes, but maybe that makes his part in this even worse, if he's entirely *sane* and could participate in this cruelty to humans and animals alike.
This article has two photos showing two of the dogs that were seized.
This whole thing makes me nauseous. VomMarischal, I applaud you and Don for doing what was in your power to try and help both the elderly woman and the dogs, knowing that you were limited and would probably have to battle just to get anyone with some authority in the matter to listen to you. I wish that there was some way to prevent this delusionally-evil woman from ever having the life of ANYTHING in her hands again....
And whoever said they wished the Bartmess' pictures weren't shown because they had crazy eyes, I co-sign that, at least as far as Janice Bartmess goes--she's got Charlie Manson eyes all the way. But Greg Bartmess actually looks like a pleasant, normal person...I don't see the crazy in his eyes, but maybe that makes his part in this even worse, if he's entirely *sane* and could participate in this cruelty to humans and animals alike.
by Betty on 08 March 2011 - 21:03
I understand what you are saying Jenn and would applaud someone for giving someone the benefit of the doubt or a second chance if they were the one taking the risk.
But they weren't, the dogs were/are.
Kinda like if you want to give a convicted raptist a second chance you (generic you) go out with him. Don't set him up with your best friend.
No matter who smooth of a talker he is.
But they weren't, the dogs were/are.
Kinda like if you want to give a convicted raptist a second chance you (generic you) go out with him. Don't set him up with your best friend.
No matter who smooth of a talker he is.
by Jenni78 on 08 March 2011 - 21:03
Hexe, remember how she blamed her husband for all of it, saying he had some mental problem and wasn't "all there" or something like that? I see a smirk almost on his face...I wonder if the man is actually glad she got caught.
Anyone know anyone in animal control or gov't that could pull a favor and maybe get those dogs out of rescue and maybe back where they belong? Many are not going to have good "pet" temperaments.
Anyone know anyone in animal control or gov't that could pull a favor and maybe get those dogs out of rescue and maybe back where they belong? Many are not going to have good "pet" temperaments.
by Jenni78 on 08 March 2011 - 22:03
No, Betty, you don't understand. Lucky you. You don't know Janice that well.
by RLHAR on 08 March 2011 - 22:03
Jenn,
I imagine those dogs are going to fall into the legal quicksand of 'evidence' which means they won't be going anywhere.
At least not for awhile.
I imagine those dogs are going to fall into the legal quicksand of 'evidence' which means they won't be going anywhere.
At least not for awhile.
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