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Jeff you were at the Nationals right? So just because you failed it is the hardest and best sport in the world now right? Lame!!! If you were so accomplished in Schutzhund and left because it was too easy I would like to see a photo copy of your scorebooks, or proof that you competed at more than just club level events?? I could maybe see this statement from someone that Won the BSP then the FMBB World Championships consecutively three years in a row then switched over to MR but from someone who probably did very little in his more than likely short Schutzhund Career not at all. 

 

On another note a group of people who participate in Mondio Ring now left Schutzhund a little less than two years ago due to the fact that they couldn't teach their dogs to track and consistently failed multiple attempts at SchH titles? Over a very long period of time by the way. They participated at MR Nationals and surprisingly titled a dog, WOW it must be really hard and sorry to say it but they are really really really bad trainers!!! Titling a dog was something that they could not do in Schutzhund, and boy did they try over and over and over again, and it was always the dogs fault, sad!! 

 

Just for future reference to breed a dog to do a particular sport is foolish! Your focus should be more on improving the breed with selective breeding which allows the fittest and healthiest dogs to reproduce while still retaining all necessary working characteristics. If these basic qualities can be passed on then you can make an attempt to add what I like to call your favorite spice!!!!

 

On the topic of how much time you spend on the field how much of that time is standing here there standing there here, dog lays down, dog sits, dog stands here then there then works for 30 seconds, then stands here then there you get the point it's not like your running around for 45 minutes, this is why all the MR vids are about 8 minutes long with 33 minutes cut out!!! As for putting a dog away then getting them back out any well bred Schutzhund dog could go out track then turn right around and do an OB routine, then go straight into protection. Also there is a test called the AD look it up I have no time to explain it to you. Also i spend at least 30 minutes just training in OB, and probably another 30 in protection, and my tracks last between 5 and 15 minutes it depends on what I am working on.

On another note the concept of prey and protection work in general needs to be looked at by alot of you. I suggest (Der Schutzhund).  Any other suggestions Fredo Corleone? This was the one that popped into my mind first.

 

devnull great post

Jenni78 Shut up about Mals already!!! GSD's are good dogs so are Mal's. A good dog is a good dog.

KellyJ It is already established by what you have said yourself that you have never titled a dog, therefore you know nothing and should listen and ask more questions then stating what little it is that you actually know about Schutzhund. LISTEN, LEARN, THEN TEACH

 

 

 

I never called myself teaching anything...This whole thread is based on a QUESTION asked by me...

 

"Just for future reference to breed a dog to do a particular sport is foolish! Your focus should be more on improving the breed with selective breeding which allows the fittest and healthiest dogs to reproduce while still retaining all necessary working characteristics. "

 

Isnt breeding GSDs to compete in Ringsport focusing on improving the breed since most GSDs cannot compete in ringsport?

You say fittest...Most of todays GSDs probably could not handle the Jumps in Mondio alone....

I commend Jeff for trying to improve our breed.

With that said I believe there are STILL some great GSDs out there...

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sorry point taken your weren't trying to teach let me rephrase!! LISTEN, LEARN, ACCOMPLISH SOMETHING, THEN TALK

 

Isn't breeding GSDs to compete in Ringsport focusing on improving the breed since most GSDs cannot compete in ringsport?

You say fittest...Most of todays GSDs probably could not handle the Jumps in Mondio alone.... 

 

I suppose that you are right and yet still wrong, the point is; if simple guidelines were followed the practice of breeding to get what (YOU)   YOU REFERS TO EACH AND EVERY BREEDER THAT HAS BRED A LITTER TO GET ONLY WHAT THEY WANTED AND IGNORED THE REST OF WHAT BREEDING IS ABOUT) wanted the breed would not be in this position, now would it?  Also Jeff said that he "I really would like to see the GSD in ringsports. That is my goal for my breeding." he did not refer to the fact that he would like to see the GSD hip dysplasia percentage lowered so the damn dogs can jump better, he just wants to see more in MR.

 

 

On another note I think that I will end every post with; "A GOOD DOG IS A GOOD DOG" as to not piss GSD folks off and start another MAL VS GSD War. Which would be like what MVGSD XLVIII or some crap like that!!

Wow, so angry, so defensive, so scared. 

Quote: where in Texas are you located Jeff?  you wouldn't of happened to be the same Jeff who bought Sunrise Dallas from Jim Bryce are you?

What is a sunrise dallas ? I have heard of a tequila sunrise. I live in seguin it is east of San Antonio.

 

Quote: Jeff you were at the Nationals right? So just because you failed it is the hardest and best sport in the world now right?

Uhhh, yeah, ok. That must be the reason. Look, just because you are upset about Mondio being a much harder sport, doesn't mean you have to get your panties all twisted up. It is ok, there are always going to be people that do things that are harder than you do. It is not my fault you are average.

 

Mals vs GSD. Lets face it. Since the likes of you idiots have been at the wheel, the GSD is the punk bitch. You bring out the hardest GSD you can find and it doesn't even compare to the hard Mals. Half the "aggression" of the GSD usually comes from some sort of spine defect.  Ask your Reiser about that one.

 

Ok, look, I know you all have dogs from molly. it is ok, you just have your idea of what is good, and I have my idea. You want a dog that you can control at all times so you can look good in competition, and I want a dog that is a lot harder and stronger than that. 

Like I have said before, come on down, we can do some training, you can see for yourself my horrible training, and point out all the stuff I do wrong, and I will watch you train your dog. The bottom line is you show up, and you will not want to bring your dog out when you see Buko work. He is almost 8 and will crush your idea of having a hard dog. Then you tell me how you would drive my dog.

Here is a video showing boring Sch, and some exciting ringsport. Jimmy Vanhove is working hard in this video. : )

Who the f$#% is this Vinny (my Chihuahua's name, incidentally; perhaps he shares the same Napoleon complex?) dude and where does he get off telling me not to talk about Mals? When do I express any interest or talk about Mals? The part where Sue was talking about them and I said they were also cheaper? Pretty sure that was the extent of it. Obviously, he's a guy w/poor reading comprehension and an ax to grind, as anyone who's been around the boards awhile and can both read and retain information knows just how interested I am in Mals and how I just never shut up about them. ROFL

Oh, the old "show me your scorebook"....Jeff, I think he really means show him your penis. I love that "show me your scorebook" and then people pretend it's about the dogs, LOL.

Kelly, I think everyone who could outthink Forrest Gump out of a paper bag understood your intent. 

Good Morning, Vincent! Lovely day, isn't it? I think you would make more friends if you read what everyone wrote and repeated that process until you understood it. 

Ok. Jeff while I have not seen Buko work, I have been around and was able to observe  his litter mate, Joker,  work many times.  If Buko is anything like his brother, and judging from the limited Buko videos I have seen I think he is,  then  he is one very good and hard dog.   BUT you are out of line if you think there are no GSDs on his level.  As I have said, come on out to watch our little training group next time you find yourself in California, you will be pleasantly surprised.  There are examples of great, hard GSDs out there, and you are also WAY wrong if you think everyone in schutzhund is looking for anything other than good, VERY high drive, hard dogs.  The problem, at least as I see it, is they are harder to find than good  Malinois.  So if you are out to do your part to rectify  the situation, then thank you, and more power to you, but if you think you are reinventing the wheel, well then you have a lot to learn.  By the way, you have a lot to learn about a lot of us in schutzhund, not all of us are looking for the easy way out. 

 

Jenni, STFU about axes! What do you know about an ax? I wouldn't mind seeing some scores. When someone comes on here and states how easy a sport is and calls it average, that person better have some damn good scores. Otherwise, what does it say about their training? And to say that people are insecure, sure, why else would one feel the need to put down another sport? Hell, I'm still waiting on Jeff to tell me if the mondio tracks are longer than a half mile. I'm eager to learn.

You're right, Don. I was making a more general statement and should've clarified. I have heard "show me your scorebook" so many times from people who just wanted to compare....you know. In this case, it has more relevance to the topic than usual. My point was the way my buddy Vinny swept in here, arms-a-swingin' looking for a fight w/a handful of people for little reason I could find. Kelly was hardly proclaiming to be a guru, and I cannot even remember the last time I mentioned the word "Mal" prior to that post, which really said nothing but that they could be obtained less expensively.

I know plenty about axes. I could show you sometimes, if you keep pissing me off, darling. I've handled more axes than I have Malinois. I have been close to a decent number  of Malinois and casually handled them, but have never extensively trained one. And Don, STFU about knitting!

I can honestly say that I don't believe one sport is better than another. ;)

 

Lets not do the GSD vs. Mal thing. Stupid stupid stupid!

 

Again I have to say that it is JUST as hard to find a good Mal as it is a good GSD. Sort of depends on what you are looking for doesn't it???