Why are Showlines generally priced higher than Working Lines?? - Page 19

So it's ok to breed whites or livers, Gustav, as long as the working ability is there?

"...they are the wrong dog to be in a home with people who lead boring, sedentary lifestyles."

Is that what she said or might you be twisting the intent of her words somewhat (a lot).

What is considered active? That is a real question, without any sarcasm. I'm trying to figure out what everyone means so I can put it into context. I do not consider myself "super" active, an average day is spent by 2, sometimes 3 walks so we can terrorize our neighborhood, load up and do our stuff around town, lots of ball throwing and tug o war and a few sessions of hide and seek. I am preparing to use special skates to roll thru my neighborhood with the boys but I need to be better at it before I take them. At the end of our day, we watch t.v. and then hit the sack, are we considered couch potatoes. To me seriously active people are like triathelets. Thanks in advance for clarifying. Jennifer

Now you're starting to piss me off, Keith.   I don't know what your problem is, I didn't say a goddamn thing about your precious show line dogs in that post, so back the hell off and stop acting so defensive.  I am agreeing with Kelly with regards to working line dogs and the kind of home they don't belong in. 

Like I said:  

Working line dogs don't belong in the homes of boring, sedentary people who only want to be sitting in front of the TV or the computer screen when they're home.   

100% true statement.

All I've said all along is  the people who own working line dogs vs show line dogs have different ideas of what the perfect dog is, each side thinks their version is better, the dogs ARE different, and there is room for both.  We sure as hell aren't going to meet in the middle, that's for damn sure, but you want to argue with me about this?  You are too much.

Keith, working ability is part of the standard for the breed, that's why I bring it up!!!! Is whites or Livers part of the standard??????? Still really hard to deal with subject matter without interjecting something offbase to divert the point made,huh. Its Okay, I see this has become a trait of American society when they don't want to deal with truth 

That isn't really what she said and this is just another of your attempts to portray all show line dogs as having no drive, ergo, perfect for fat, lazy people. I'm not sure if you're aware of it but it doesn't make your dogs look any better to disparage someone else's so why not impress us with all of the titles you've put on your working line dogs instead?

Do I really have to explain every point, Gustav? You make it sound as though color has no place in the decision making peocess of which dogs to breed and I maintain that that is false.

Wow, you couldn't be more wrong about me.  You know what Keith?  The fact that you would read such utter nonsense into my statements speaks volumes about your own deep seeded insecurities.  Obviously you only want to fight, and have now stooped to making up stupid shit about someone you don't even know, to continue to fight with me.  You are acting like an ass, and you are wrong about me, but that's your problem, not mine.

Once more you JACKASS, there are big differences between working and show line GSDs, both sides think their dogs more closely resemble the ideal, but there is room for both.  For the record, I never said nor did I think that conversely, slug type people were appropriate as owners of show line GSDs, so don't you dare put words in my mouth.  I simply agree with Kelly about what is or is not an appropriate home for a working line GSD,  get your facts straight, because believe me, if I thought it was true, I would have said it, plain and simple.

As for titles, yes my current dog is titled by me as were the ones before him, as will be the ones that follow.  I think training obedience, tracking and protection for schutzhund is the greatest  fun in the world, and that's why I always have working line dogs.  I just don't feel the need to show off, by the way, I'm not the best and I'm not the worst.  Notice I haven't asked you for your pedigree because frankly I don't give a shit.

I don't expect show line people and working line people to like the same things or agree on which is the better dog, I don't think we have to, we should be able to  respect each other and understand we are just different.  Nothing to get defensive about,  just different.  I like what I like and you like what you like.  Doesn't make working line dogs better, just better for those who prefer working line dogs, and vice versa. 

Now go on with your bad self and yap some more bullshit about someone you don't know.  I'll let you have the last say, it's so important to you.  But understand I am done with you, you have problems you need to deal with.

I absolutely agree that a GSD with higher drives does not belong in a home where the family does not lead a active life style.  By active life style I mean a family that would actually spend time with the dog. For most dogs jogging, walks, ball playing, and obedience training does them alot of good. 

I also agree that the popular stud dogs are bred to because the stud dog sells puppies.  For example I have actually been told by a breeder that used a VA dog because the puppies sell better.  This person also said that another dog was a better match to bring out working drive but the puppies would be harder to sell so that breeding would never be considered.  If people don't wake up and put temperment and working ability first we will eventually have dogs that cannot perform schutzhund at any level. 

For myself I like a good looking dog that I am not embarrased to take onto the field.  Is my dog a national level schutzhund dog? No, but he is a good club level dog that I enjoy working.  I think there is alot of pride in training your own dog.  To see the transformation from a puppy to the Sch1 is as exciting to me now as it was when I titled my first dog in 1999. 

Best Regards,
Cheryl

Thanks Cheryl, that's all I was trying to say in reference to popular studs.

Keith, I think pretty much everyone else gets my points, I'm fortunate in not needing you to explain anything to me about this breed. Take care!!