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by GSDL on 08 June 2011 - 10:06


 Please see details on the League website regarding the award of Champion at the Regional Events, your comments are requested.
 Please scroll down the Home page a little to see the flyer.
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by Alyson R on 11 June 2011 - 07:06

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Videx

by Videx on 11 June 2011 - 10:06

In response to your request for “opinions” on the “British Champion Title”
 
I very firmly believe the British Champion Title is absolutely essential to the future success of the GSDL/WUSV GSD EVENT System here within the UK.
 
Having considered this award system, I have now come to the conclusion that a POINTS system would be the BEST, for the following reasons. 
  1. It could be “retrospective”.
  2. It could offer POINTS to many dogs at every event.
  3. The POINTS could be awarded to the fist THREE in each class for those ABOVE 12 months of age.
  4. The POINTS could be ranged, for example, 1st=5 POINTS 2nd =3 POINTS 3rd=1POINT.
  5. The TOTAL POINTS required for the CHAMPION TITLE Title could be set at 30 or higher – with NO MORE than 10 points gained under any ONE JUDGE.
  6. The CHAMPION TITLE should only be awarded when the dog has gained sufficient POINTS and is BREED SURVEYED.
  7. A dog who has gained the title of British Champion can continue to compete and this would just build up POINTS – OR – they could ONLY be entered in BRITISH CHAMPION CLASSES one for MALES and one for Females.
  8. A POINTS SYSTEM will stop “arrangements” for gaining the “Champion Certificate” – (The big one) at our Events. POINTS would be available in ALL “eight” classes above the puppy classes.
  9. Suitable and prestigious “British Champion Title” cards should be awarded.
  10. ALL British Champions should be LISTED on a GSDL dedicated WEB PAGE.
A high number of points to gain the Champion Title could be more beneficial to the scheme. 50 points for example may be more appropriate, remembering that very good dogs WILL gain points at almost EVERY event they enter. Better to start the scheme with greater difficulty and maybe easing it later, than starting it easier and wanting to increase the difficulty later.

At some future date, say when we have a number of “British Champions” – a time when consideration COULD be given to “Champions Classes” – you could consider awarding POINTS to the “Champion Class” which could accumulate to an agreed total gained under different Judges, and award the title of “Supreme British Champion”.  OR if Champion Classes are not wanted then a points total of say 100 or more is achieved in the current classes, award the title of “Supreme British Champion”.
may be worth considering.

by yorkjason on 11 June 2011 - 11:06

I'm not fully understanding why this prestigious award is neccessary ?.  Is it incentive for breeders/owners to show more plus boost show entries ?.
Do other countries that show under the WUSV system have a similar award ?.
The way I am reading it the champion or supreme champion award can only be achieved by the amount of shows attended the more you enter the more chances you've got of winning and totting up the points. bit like the lottery. There are exhibitors who might well have dogs very worthy of such an award that cannot afford to attend as many shows needed to gain this award so it's just tough luck on them I assume.


by NO FEAR on 11 June 2011 - 15:06

Yorkjason
I agree with you . Why is this title necessarry ? I would suggest it is for the bigger kennels to help sell puppies , the british public dont understand the Regional system but they do know what a champion is . Where I agree that this system is correct & All breeding & show stock should have health checks I would question the motive behind it . Are we going to have 1 , 2 , 3 or even more Champions  ie Working Champion Adult Champion Junior Champion etc . Starts to get messy dont it . I would suggest that if it aint broke dont try to fix it. The system as it stands is fine . Its just a matter of educating the British  public to the ways of this system

Videx

by Videx on 11 June 2011 - 23:06

Education is most obviously needed!

by yorkjason on 12 June 2011 - 09:06

NO FEAR.   Thanks, spot on post !.
Is there a champion award in any other countries that show under the WUSV system ?.  I agree re educating the public is badly needed,  quite a task with the system already being rather complicated without adding more confusion to it.

Abby Normal

by Abby Normal on 12 June 2011 - 10:06

I think it is a fair question. What is the rationale behind introducing a British Champion award?

NoFear, I think you may be partially correct. The title Champion is well recognised by the public.

I see no additional points being available for working titles which I would think important to encourage people to attain working titles with their dogs.

The 'big one' is surely the British Sieger, so why is another one required, unless it is to award another 'big title' to dogs who have never achieved a working qualification?  If that is the case I think it is a retrograde step, as the future should always lead to dogs demonstrating working ability, and seems to be in opposition to the ethos of the SV and this style of showing.

Videx

by Videx on 12 June 2011 - 11:06

One day, probably never, some of you may realise the GSDL/WUSV system is a dual system, catering for those that wish to follow the SV system and those that wish to follow a British system albeit with identification and health requirement, which are additional to what the KC system offers.

It should also be remembered that the British KC system includes CC's which are used to make up Champions, it was these CC's which were used by the Kennel Club, by their withdrawal, to coerse the Breed Clubs into bendin to their (KC) will and sign their (KC) "undertaking". It is entirely logical for those Clubs that have had their CC's removed by the KC to create an ALTERNATIVE show system(s) which is much improved, especially with the health requirements, and much more, including significant working requirements (SV system), and they then proceed to restore their ability to make up CHAMPIONS within our GSD breed, HEALTHY CHAMPIONS.

Some people clearly need educating in the GSD show scenes, especially here within the UK, perhaps you should start with the KC system, it contains much to be improved upon, eg. proper identification, meaningful health tests, working qualifications, just to name the obvious.

Maybe that would be asking for too much from you, as it would mean taking on the KC, oh! I forgot, you are anonymous. That one word, anonymous, says it all really, doesn't it?

by NO FEAR on 12 June 2011 - 11:06

Mr Payne

 Sorry to have an opinion but I see exactly what some at the GSDL are trying to do .Personally I dont beleive that you can have a half way house . If they are serious & want to be like the rest of Europe then why is there a need for a Champion title . In the intrim I fully understand why there is an adult class but I would hope that eventually this would disappear & there would only be the working class . Like I say education is the way forward & must be put before financial gain



 






 


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