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by steve1 on 03 July 2011 - 04:07
Bundishep
Exactly you got it and Darylehret Yes, you mention Eros and Ellute are very much liked dogs in the breeding's over here, but Eros is considered that bit above Ellute but both very good producing Sires of top Quality dogs.
My young female Gina is a grand daughter of Eros on her Maternal side. and my Puppy coming soon is a half Sister to Gina same Mother now this Female, Gina's mother i think we will here a lot of through her Progeny in years to come for me she is a beautiful Balanced Female in every way Bone Structure, Breeding and Genetics
and when i got to here who she was being mated to i got really excited at the breeding and so a Pup from her is coming or rather i go to collect it a week next Tuesday but as i said the breeding of the Pup may not be to every ones taste but it will suit me very well indeed
Steve1
Darlylehret
Yes, Troll was V show rating as i said in my post above Tim was SG rated. ZW both 88
Both passed on there Genes to great effect i think and as been said people buying Pups have a preference over which Female is mated to the dog at the time, I have mentioned to me they are, But if you get BOTH Maternal and Paternal in a breeding which suits you down to a T then you are one happy fellow such as i am with Hektor
I will try and post his Pedigree on here a bit later
Exactly you got it and Darylehret Yes, you mention Eros and Ellute are very much liked dogs in the breeding's over here, but Eros is considered that bit above Ellute but both very good producing Sires of top Quality dogs.
My young female Gina is a grand daughter of Eros on her Maternal side. and my Puppy coming soon is a half Sister to Gina same Mother now this Female, Gina's mother i think we will here a lot of through her Progeny in years to come for me she is a beautiful Balanced Female in every way Bone Structure, Breeding and Genetics
and when i got to here who she was being mated to i got really excited at the breeding and so a Pup from her is coming or rather i go to collect it a week next Tuesday but as i said the breeding of the Pup may not be to every ones taste but it will suit me very well indeed
Steve1
Darlylehret
Yes, Troll was V show rating as i said in my post above Tim was SG rated. ZW both 88
Both passed on there Genes to great effect i think and as been said people buying Pups have a preference over which Female is mated to the dog at the time, I have mentioned to me they are, But if you get BOTH Maternal and Paternal in a breeding which suits you down to a T then you are one happy fellow such as i am with Hektor
I will try and post his Pedigree on here a bit later
by Jeff Oehlsen on 03 July 2011 - 07:07
I am pretty sure that it was location that made Troll the winner in the breeding contest. : ) He was probably more centrally located. I am always curious to see how people perceive things. He is the winner 20 years later, but lets face it, here in the states, you are not going to find a stud that has been bred 900 times ever. Too many control freaks in the dog world. I am sure that if you went to Troll's owner, paid the money, you got to use the dog.
I would love to hear of a stud here in the US that had 90 outside breedings. How many of those do we have in the working dog world ?
I know way way too many quality dogs that are bred so sparingly, what is the point ?
I would love to hear of a stud here in the US that had 90 outside breedings. How many of those do we have in the working dog world ?
I know way way too many quality dogs that are bred so sparingly, what is the point ?
by steve1 on 03 July 2011 - 11:07
Here is Hektors Pedigree if it comes out, As i said above it may not be to everyones liking but it suits me and i expect something special to come out of the mating.
But lets have your comments on it good or bad thats okay, the Pup will come and i will be handling him
Steve1
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=721371
But lets have your comments on it good or bad thats okay, the Pup will come and i will be handling him
Steve1
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=721371
by myret on 03 July 2011 - 12:07
I believe all the breeding of working dogs is rooted in genes without these inherited genes from both female and male are all I suppose does not matter. what are good genes and a good working dog so it's probably a lot of different opinions, some think it's the dogs who scores high points in competitions others believe it is the right dog so police dogs
by darylehret on 03 July 2011 - 13:07
I know nothing of the parents, but Hektor's pedigree looks very attractive to my taste. I like the entire 2nd and 3rd generations, and the linebreeding on Tom. For breeding him, I would probably look for additional hardness and social aggression in a mate.
some think it's the dogs who scores high points in competitions others believe it is the right dog so police dogs
There's no reason you'd have to settle for less than fitting toward BOTH aims, and that's especially not a bad idea if breeding.
by Gustav on 03 July 2011 - 14:07
Daryl, if you were going to bring in good strong aggression in a breeding and all other things even....who would you use Troll or Timmy??
by darylehret on 03 July 2011 - 15:07
The actual dog, or it's descendants? Never knew the dogs, but I've seen enough dogs through and linebred on Troll, but little of Timmy to warrant giving advice. So that I'm not OVERexperimenting in too many directions, in part, I rely on the experimentations/experience/success/failures of other breeders who have blazed the path before me. There aren't any descendants through Troll I'd be interested in, given what stock I currently have. And considering only MY dogs, for a female I'd prefer something through Nick(Timmy), Cordon An-Sat or Faro Policia. As much as I intend to linebreed, I'm avoiding the Mink lines. My current breeding is a 3-5 on Nick, 4,4,5-5.6 on Yoschy. My intent is to develop lines going through Nick, Yoschy, Tom v'L, Cordon, and Faro. I will select a male and a female from the above breeding, and the female will be subsequently bred to a son of Carly/Fiba Policia (3-3 Faro).
by ziegenfarm on 03 July 2011 - 16:07
at the risk of repeating myself again ;)........i must agree on the mink/fero thing; to be avoided. mink can be used very effectively with other greif bred dogs. germany was doing a lot of mink/fero breedings several years back and i believe they came to the same conclusion because you don't see the mink/fero breedings today in nearly the volumes as a few years back. you are seeing far more fero linebreedings - incorporating various fero sons and grandsons. this seems to bring much more success. i wrote this in another thread a while back - the one about what lines we are going to see in the future. somebody else was more intent on picking apart what i had to say than trying to understand what i meant. but....i see this continuing on into the future to a large degree. it looks like heavy linebreeding on fero by way of his various progeny is bringing success to a lot of breeders.
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by myret on 03 July 2011 - 18:07
Daryl
I totally agree, why not focus on the whole package, a dog who may be sporting dog but also perform within the police or whatever else one uses the dog to a rescue dog for instance
I totally agree, why not focus on the whole package, a dog who may be sporting dog but also perform within the police or whatever else one uses the dog to a rescue dog for instance
Ordbog
by myret on 03 July 2011 - 18:07
more of you in here mentions trold and Timmy the two brothers
but what about the amigo and Aaron vom Bracheler See what the differences were between the two brothers who have also bred some
but what about the amigo and Aaron vom Bracheler See what the differences were between the two brothers who have also bred some
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