GSD breeder arrested in CT - Page 10

          I first joined this forum years ago to ask about a puppy I was considering buying. It was sired by the stolen dog and the breeder blatently lied to me and was offering fraudulent papers for the puppy or was going to stiff me on papers. The thread is here: http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/bulletins.read?mnr=216314


            As written on that thread, at the time of speaking with this breeder over months she made mention numerous times she was having many troubles and of those were also neighbor complaints and issues having enough time to properly care for her dogs. It is not hard for me to believe dogs needed saving from her and it boggles my mind the support she is getting from other breeders until I read they do business with her. 


                                                                                                R Cale

            

Workingdogz
Sorry (but glad) that I had misunderstood the underlying meaning of your post. Yes I'm with you 100%, it is frightening that such basic things should have to be defined, yet without them - well it doesn't bear thinking about. What truly offends me is that some of the time this applies to what I consider to be *dog* people - that really gets to me, and these I think are the people that gradually learn to rationalise what I personally would consider less than adequate living conditions whether it may be housing/feeding/general comfort and/or attention/affection/companionship for their animals. This whole thing  is very sad.

lol. You are all outraged about the way these 13 dogs were treated? There are breeders out there (that you all support and defend when anything negative is said about them!) that have over 100 dogs at any one time. How well do you think those dogs are treated?

autobahn,
I do not know of any breeders that have 100 + dogs.  I am curious though, send me a PM if you do not mind.

Jim

I think the biggest problem is that everyone has a different standard of care.  You have two ( probably more) camps of dog owners.  People who treat dogs as family members and little humans and the other side of the scale that treat dogs as livestock.  The two camps will never agree on what a dogs basic requirements are.   While most dog owners are somewhere between the two camps, the persons on either end of the scale will never see eye to eye. 

Brynjulf
There are I am sure many people who treat their dogs as family members but NOT as *little humans*. The two do not necessarily go hand in hand. My dogs are part of my family, but are treated as dogs and I never confuse them with (nor would I want them to be) little humans. I want them to be well balanced, and well cared for, but above all I want them to be dogs.

Since as you say, there seem to be such different views on what the standard of care should be then that is why there is an obvious need for AC laws, so that those who cannot grasp what standard of care is acceptable have to have it laid out and legislated for. Sad but true.

Abby I have to agree with you, my dogs are part of our family but are not little people.  I see far to many dogs in rescue because they have behaviorial problems due to being treated as people not dogs.

My main concern right now is the dogs, are they safe and will they be placed for adoption or rescue if they are taken from the breeder? 

Jusst because there are other dogs that are treated worse does not make it ok for DawnMarie to do this to her dogs.
R Cale, I remember your story--you are lucky to have gotten away from her.   I won't even go in to what she has personally done to me--I am just glad they got to the dogs.  Maybe this time WDA will wise up and revoke her membership and AKC will not let her breed anymore, not that that matters to her, she will just make up some papers....

BeeTree,


DM has been around a Loooong time, and essentially just shows.  The club ( a WDA club, so one that is not ever required to actually put on any trials) does show her with a dog that has  aB and an AD.  These are not schutzhund titles.   Being essentially a show person, DM in all liklihood ships her "prime" dogs out to be titled in a some 'Midnight Trial" somewhere.  Neither the dog, nor DM, ever actually sees a trial field.   Many schutzhund clubs have "show folks" as members--they only show up to get their dogs ready for the performance phase of the NASS or the USCA Sieger show.  Then, they disappear for several more months, unless they need to prepare a dog for a breed survey. In other words, nothing about that site would leead me to believe that DM actually trains.


Workingdogz-- BINGO!!   Some of us are less impartial than others, but tend to say so up front.


Autobahn:  I honestly don't know of any schutzhund folks, or SV-style show folks with 100+ dogs--not even the major show breeder in your neck of the Canadian(?) woods.  

FWIW:  I live in an area where one must obtain a "hobby kennel" license to maintain more than 3 dogs.    The county stopped granting non-hobby kennel licenses eons ago. 

I am quite impressed by the consideration to the big picture addressed by some of the posts, workingdogz and Blitzen in particular.  This is exactly what our community needs.  From the single dog home to the large breeding enterprise, we each need to consider whether or not we are doing the dogs justice by our actions (or lack thereof).  I could digress into a whole new topic on whether or not the particular "breeds" are being benefited by "breeder" actions, but I won't do that here...I do think we need to consistantly "call out" neglect and abuse when we see it and to be redundant, create a new culture of what is acceptable because some of the situations out there, situations that the owner or breeder really feels IS acceptable, for example the situation referred to by the original article....is simply NOT acceptable.  Follow your ordinances, give appropriate care and attention, medical, nutritional, social and otherwise, to your animals...most importantly, have NO MORE than you have the resources to care for.  For some individuals this may well mean NOT having a dog, so be it!!  And I do think, being a nurse myself, if "you are properly trained", saving valuable resources by administering your own distemper combo shots is certainly appropriate-as is treating minor cuts and scrapes-within major limits!!!!.  Having 20 dogs, however, if you know you don't even know if the rent is paid for next month, that is dangerous, that is negligent...that is disaster...Being gone at your job with 12 dogs sitting stacked for 14hrs, you can certainly spray the feces out of the crates, but what you are doing to the animal, remains pretty dirty.  Once again, it is going to be our responsibility as a community-in presence or in lack- that will either invite outside agencies into our homes or keep them out...