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Fenrir

by Fenrir on 05 December 2011 - 15:12

I don't think people are defending the breeder here, and that is not the point most are making. The point being made that I see at least is that AC is getting more and more bold, and PETA is starting to win over hearts and minds. I am told CONSTANTLY my bitch is too skinny, funny thing is I take her to the vet and he tells ms "it is just too bad more people don't keep their dogs skinny and in shape like you do. Dogs are wolves and they are ment to be skinny and muscular." then tells me she is the most beautiful shepherd he has ever seen.

Most comments I read have stated pretty much they are not sure of the exact case however are concerned with how not only good dog owners but excellent dog owners who spend 15hours plus training their dogs a week are being painted as evil dog abusers. Also this is NOTHING like the AKC judge who actually had dogs put down, this could very well be abuse however no dogs are being put down so the two cannot be compared in the least.

by beetree on 05 December 2011 - 16:12

They said dogs in crates were sitting at the side of the door when it was opened. The A/C would have to be blind, and probably deaf, too. And no sense of smell.

by beetree on 05 December 2011 - 17:12

The point here is this case has zippo, zero, nada, absolutely nothing to do with PETA.

Stratford A/C, a part of the Police Dept., is doing their job and because of it, thirteen German Shepherds lives have just been vastly improved. Stratford also has a memorial for their recently departed K9 Officer, Zak. I think they know what a healthy GSD needs, and what one looks like.


Fenrir

by Fenrir on 05 December 2011 - 17:12

I do not think PETA has anything to do with the OP either...The conversation veered from there because it struck many peoples legit concern over the changing mentallity of what dog abuse consists of. I have no familiarity with the actual case in question, if this lady abused these dogs then I am very happy that the proper people got involved and that these dogs are now safe and in good hands. If she had her day in court and lost then that is it. I hope all the dogs involved find good homes where they can live happy lives.

by workingdogz on 05 December 2011 - 18:12

Google Earth search of the address that DM lists on the OG New England SchH Club contact shows a normal looking residential neighborhood.
Not a commercial property, a residential surrounded by other similar homes.


by beetree on 05 December 2011 - 19:12

http://www.ognewengland.com/training.html

The link above provides DM's bio.... seems she thinks she's doing schutzhund! So Mystere, what do you make of that? hhhhhhmmmmm?

Clicking on the link to breeders also lists her kennel. But clicking the link just leads to her disabled site. 

Workingdogz, yes West Broad Street is very much a residential area on a busy main street between two highways. It has lovely homes, with smaller yards, with sidewalks, something unheard of compared to the acre zoning in smaller towns. Certainly not an area that would be zoned for a kennel. Could that be why she got arrested because she wasn't supposed to be operating a kennel and didn't have the proper licenses? Could that be why she thought she'd just kennel 13 GSD's inside the home, hoping no one would notice?

I'm sure the neighbor's got sick of dealing with her running a kennel illegally, and now she is stopped for the time being. The fine however will be small and I'm sure it won't take long for her to set up somewhere's else.


Dog1

by Dog1 on 05 December 2011 - 19:12

I'm trying to see in the local code where AC has a right to take the dogs. I'm more concerned about the rights of pet owners in general than the person involved. There is also a cure peroid stipulated in the code. Was that ever provided or did AC just take the dogs? My question is do the Authorities follow the rules or is there a trend to do what seems to be right at the moment?

by Blitzen on 05 December 2011 - 19:12

Don't spend your last buck betting that there aren't some AR people behind DM's bust.

The point is not whether she's gulity of animal cruelty or not. Her history makes most of us think - here we go again. The concerns must be was this a legal search and seizure and what is going to happen to the dogs per CT law. Most states require that dogs confiscated in abuse cases are held until the case is adjudicated or until the owner relinquishes ownership. Normally the owner is ordered to pay all expenses but that can fall back on the state/county depending on whether or not the owner can pay.

Until there is a conviction, these dogs are evidence and still DM's property.  Also to consider, does DM own all these dogs or are some there for boarding as was the "stolen dog"?

This is a 2 edged sword. We want all dogs to be safe and not abused while, at the same time, preserving our own civil rights and our right to own and breed dogs. I think dog breeders had better start to go above and beyond to present themselves more as legitimate dog lovers and less as dog exploiters. Perception is reality.




by beetree on 05 December 2011 - 20:12

e) Any owner or keeper of a kennel who breeds more than two litters of dogs annually and (1) fails to apply for a kennel license as required in subsection (a) of this section, or (2) fails to allow an inspection of such facility as required in subsection (b) of this section shall be fined not more than one thousand dollars or imprisoned not more than one year or both.

 If, in the judgment of the commissioner, such kennel is not being maintained in good repair and in a sanitary and humane manner or if the commissioner finds that communicable or infectious disease or other unsatisfactory conditions exist in the kennel, he may issue such orders as he deems necessary for the correction of such conditions and may quarantine the premises and animals. 


(Remember, these are State Statutes, I don't know the particulars for the town.)

When she opened the door of her own house to the A/C officers, it was all over for her. She couldn't hide the dogs in the crates at the entrance, she couldn't hide the smell, their condition and the numbers. She couldn't hide the noise of the other dogs stacked in the other rooms. Clearly she couldn't hide all that from her neighbors, either, who would prompt A/C to visit. If she's on probation she'd kind of have to open the door to the officer, is my thought. Why doesn't what she did seem odd in the least, to all German Shepherd Dog lover's on this thread?

This is not the situation of a simple pet owner afraid A/C is going to yank their dog from their loving arms, for no good reason. So I wonder why so many keep trying to downplay DM's arrest for what it is. It's like if there isn't a dead dog, why bother to give a damn.

Clearly people who want to get her off the hook will say all the dogs are her house pets, when that isn't true. She's a breeder who legally shouldn't be. Again, she'll get at most a $1000 fine and be done with it, that's the saddest part. Getting the dogs back, intact, might be tougher, I suppose....but I bet there will be plenty of conniving to go around when/ if it comes to that.

Slamdunc

by Slamdunc on 05 December 2011 - 20:12

Amazing!  Thanks Bee, barkroz, workingdogz and Mystere amongst others who gave rational, intelligent  responses.  I find some of the posters to be more worried about themselves than the animals in this case.  The whole "you" (but I really mean "I") could be next argument.  In our city, AC is part of the Police Dept.  I have never seen them target a breeder or go after a breeder with the exception of Michael Vick and a couple of other dog fighting rings.  Targeting legit breeders who care for their animals is not on their list of things to do.  Between this thread and the AKC judge thread the views of some breeders / posters are very enlightening.    





 


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