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It is understandable that the people and their supporters who are involved with all that is not right will try to blacken Jantie’s name. I have found that sometimes the problems in his posts are in the way they are presented. When written in German the translation does not always reflect what he is trying to say. Also, there are times when he writes in English some sentences do not read correctly which means they become misinterpreted by some of the readers. However, when Jantie makes, what in the beginning is really an allegation, his comments do go on to be proved correct ! His interest is in the breed itself. There is no financial gain for him and his actions are not going to catapult him to the top of the popularity poll.

David Payne’s comment here is absolutely correct and was foreseen by Max v Stephanitz from the very beginning. Corruption has always been in the dog world. We have seen it many times when judges make a top or good place for their friends and, in time their friends reciprocate. The situation that we see today is that it is not just the people involved but also the highly inflated prices of the dogs from foreign buyers to satisfy their ego trips. None of them will ever recover the investment that they make in buying these dogs.

I first came to the German scene when Dr Rummel was President and it was shortly after that Hermann Martin became President. At that time I was a believer in the SV and it’s system. Very quickly it became apparent that all was not as I thought it was in the beginning. It was mostly the same people that were getting top honours and hailed as top breeders. Something was wrong.  Breeding being what it is it is not possible to be so consistent in producing absolute top dogs year in year out.  Then false pedigree’s came into play and these same people were involved and, it is my belief that the President was involved to some degree.

The most surprising thing that came to my mind is that the honest true to the breed Members of the SV did not rise up and demonstrate more. They could see the gene pool getting smaller and they knew that whatever they did as individuals they would not rise to the elevated heights of the top. In the UK when people were not getting their look-in they just went off and formed another club.

Whether you agree, or, disagree with Jantie the breed needs more whistle blowers like him, people who put the breed first and restore the GSD to it’s rightful place. Number 1!

Mackenzie

 

I cant help it :

Here are the dates when Jaguar was X-rayed, this was recorded in the Swedish Breedbook.
2008-07-04 HD Grad B
2008-19-05 ED Grad 2
2012-23-01 ED Grad 3

And yep , there is room for making mistakes when identifying a dog - hm, Jaguar is tatooed AND has a Chip - and yep, there is a Santa Claus and his best friend is Rudolf !

Guess what, the x-ray info was there the entire time.
Now comes someone and buys the son of Jaguar, Harley. This/these persons then decide to have the father of the bought dog to be x -rayed again. The father ?
Ok, I do not understand, but then again, I dont have to understand everything.
Can anyone give me a halfway decent, just halfway, explanation as to why Jaguar was x-rayed again ?
I speculate : Maybe the new owner/s were aware that Harley would not be able to compete under SV rules & regulations, and that Harley would never ever find entry in the SV Breedbook, if his father has bad ellbows ??
Sorry, how bad must I be to even think such a thing !

And David, Jan did not speculate or made alligations, he posted here on PDB with an e-mail from the swedish kennel club in his hands - he even offered the moderator to send it over for verification. Because he did verify it ! All he wanted was to warn breeders, before they have to deal with crap.

Anyhow, McKenzie nice post.

Ulli

I just want to say--I alone made the decision to delete his post--I based that decision on the nature of the post (read like hearsay) and my previous run ins with Jantie. I personally do not like the fact that Jantie took my PRIVATE COMMUNICATIONS (PMs) and posted them on his blog. To me that shows a real lack of respect. I never once gave my permission for Jantie to post my PRIVATE COMMUNICATIONS.

So, please do not waste your time wondering who did the deleting--Jantie is lucky to still be a member here and had I just banned him for posting my private communications, his stage would be a lot smaller.

Don't blame the SV or David or anyone--I made the decision and it is what it is.

Regards,
GSDadmin

And a good decision it was. No one complains about posting facts. No one complains things within the SV are being watched.

The problem with the original post was the information was not accurate, people were named, accused, and conclusions drawn before the facts were reviewed, conclusions about a 3rd party outcome were drawn before the third party had a chance to render a decision based on the facts. That was the problem.

I'm just curious did Videx buy the PDB a while back? 

Hello again,

GSDadmin, with all due respect - because YOU were angry that Jan postet private communication,
you find it reasonable to prevent others to make an informed decision ?
Because of your personal vendetta ?
 Excuse me, but this shows a whole lot of respect & dedication towards the breed, does it ?
By the way, hits on his Blog are pretty high up there, furthermore he only posts on certain occasions, such as warning peopel ! I dont think for 1 minute that Jan would shed a tear for beeing banned !

Dog1, everyone is entitelt to his/her opinion, I do respect that. But I believe that one should also be able to explain why.
Jan came forward with the info he had at that time, and as it proves right now, this info was correct. I dont see where Jan used 3rd party info, he had an E-Mail from the Swedish Kennel Club at hand, verified it and warned every one. I truely believe that is more then many others would have done. You know what will happen, a lot of peopel will loose the pedigree of their dog, a lot of grief will make the round. Peopel will sue breeders, breeder will sue stud owners this guy will point his finger at that guy and so on, and on .......
What else did you need ? Let peopel still bring their females to a youthsieger to be mated, make the horror bigger with seeing eyes ?

Anyhow, you all take care.

Hey Slamdunc, it was Jim, right ? How are you, I wish you all the best for the year 2012 - go & get the bad guys !

Ulli

Nope,I was over that PM deal, but it does go to character. I removed the thread/post because it was pre-investigative non-sense, calling out people who may have had no part in this mess.

I look at history and when someone posts that an SV judge is history and then it is proven that said judge is not history that goes to the source and I am not sure about you Uli but the source means a lot when we talk hearsay.

I have all his posts and while rereading them it is apparent that this was not final and that the son was supposedly getting kicked out of the record books for the faked fathers x-rays. No where in the letter from the SV did it state anything about dogs being taken out of the record book. The letter only dealt with acknowledging that an investigation was begun and not that their were conclusions drawn by the SV at that point and sorry but when Jantie drew his own conclusions--I drew mine.

I have the posts Uli and I would be happy to PM them to you with my explanations.

Well GSDadmin,

we will see what will happen to these dogs - by the book they will have to loose their pedigree, just as the dogs out of Tell did. It is pretty simple. Just read the rules, they are even in english avaible on the SV webside.You dont get it dont you - these are not Jan's conclusions, this will be, or at least has to be the outcome of this fraud.
Pretty pathetic, of course it was not final at the time when Jan postet, how in the world could it have been - Jan was the one making it public to the world !!
Wow, you consider a letter from the official Swedish Breed Club an pre investigative nonsense - to bad it now proofed to be the truth !
Oh well, I will leave at that - by the way I can assure you, I am very capable to draw my own conclusions.
Ulli

Quote from Jantie:

I am now very happy to announce: "Reinhardt Meyer will NOT judge another day!"


Is Reinhart Meyer still a judge?  Is this a conclusion backed by fact?  So, after having gone through this very thing a few times with Jantie the admins are very wary of the FACTS as reported by Jantie and I guess when people cry wolf at every corner--people tend to tune them out after many false reports.

I still stand by my decision, a decision made with the facts at hand and past false reports of the sky is falling. Not facts presented weeks after the original posts.

Ulli,
Hello, I hope all is well with you.  Best wishes to you and your family for 2012 and years beyond.

Jim