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by vomtreuenhaus on 18 January 2012 - 00:01
Echo,
I appreciate the offer, but he stays. Because of the potential I see in this dog, really the only reason he would go anywhere would be if hips/elbows/DM testing come back not so good. Other than that, he has it I just need to find ways to bring out in him what I want. Its not the fact that he loves me/wants to be with me that frustrates me...Its his lack of confidence in himself.
When I let him out of the kennel alone in the morning, i "love all up on him" and let him spaz out all over me, then I grab my tools and clean the kennel...it frustrates me that he will sit outside the kennel and not go "do his thing" ie poop/pee, or go sniff around at the new smells of the morning..or hell, go play with the chickens! (he likes to herd them and gets great joy in it when tehy do what he wants) He will literally sit outside the kennel, his whole body shaking, will occasionally lay down, with a ridiculous amount of anxiety waiting for me to turn around and let him spaz on me again. Trust me, I LOVE the bond he has with me, I just want to see him having more confidence in himself.
When I walk into a room with my bitch, she presents a very alert, aware, courageous, and powerful "I got this" attitude. She will own any situation and have control of it. She has an incredibly clear mind, and so much confidence in herself, she is what I see as a "serious" bitch. She loves me, gets joy in playing fetch and going for runs with me, laying on the bed with me etc, but she is no where near as obsessed with me as he is. I can let her out in the morning, she jumps on me and says goodmorning, then goes and does her thing all over the yard, returning only to happily jump into the kennel ebcause she knows i'm done cleaning. Granted, she is almost 8 years old, and completely trained/raised in a different way (i dont know really how she was raised, she was imported from the Netherlands fully titled etc)
Where with him, he seems to be overly obsessive. More so than ive experienced with my other dogs/shepherds. I was simply asking how i would help build the confidence in himself, I want him to be able to have control of any situation, and feel confident, feel like "its okay Ma' i got this". Yes i KNOW he is young, i KNOW hes slow to mature at this point, I just want to know what I can do to help bring that confidence in himself forward and be less dependant on "you got this one ma?".
He was strictly a "house pup" for about 4 months, except when I was at work he would be out in the kennel, but when I was home/at night he was in the house. Learning to crate train, house train, get used to weird noises/other animals/stairs/build bonds etc. For about 2+ months hes been strictly outside, except during the rotational in the house times, as this was when I started seriously training him. I train everyday by myself and have club on the weekend. Whether I do short obedience sessions, tug work/aggitation work, or bare minimal tracking, or even if its just traffic/civil stuff like going to new places or walks on the road to get used to cars etc. When we are at club, he does not act all obsessed with me UNLESS i touch him. When he's "fighting" the helper and winning, and i'm told to gently pat his side and tell him good, he instantly releases the tug and turns around and spazzes out on me. Now we use verbal praise instead of patting.
Its just hard because like I said, i've not had one SO into me before, I dont know whether MORE time with him would "calm his nerves", or less time with him would help calm him when hes around me. Its frustrating just because I dont know which way to go with him in a training aspect.
I appreciate the offer, but he stays. Because of the potential I see in this dog, really the only reason he would go anywhere would be if hips/elbows/DM testing come back not so good. Other than that, he has it I just need to find ways to bring out in him what I want. Its not the fact that he loves me/wants to be with me that frustrates me...Its his lack of confidence in himself.
When I let him out of the kennel alone in the morning, i "love all up on him" and let him spaz out all over me, then I grab my tools and clean the kennel...it frustrates me that he will sit outside the kennel and not go "do his thing" ie poop/pee, or go sniff around at the new smells of the morning..or hell, go play with the chickens! (he likes to herd them and gets great joy in it when tehy do what he wants) He will literally sit outside the kennel, his whole body shaking, will occasionally lay down, with a ridiculous amount of anxiety waiting for me to turn around and let him spaz on me again. Trust me, I LOVE the bond he has with me, I just want to see him having more confidence in himself.
When I walk into a room with my bitch, she presents a very alert, aware, courageous, and powerful "I got this" attitude. She will own any situation and have control of it. She has an incredibly clear mind, and so much confidence in herself, she is what I see as a "serious" bitch. She loves me, gets joy in playing fetch and going for runs with me, laying on the bed with me etc, but she is no where near as obsessed with me as he is. I can let her out in the morning, she jumps on me and says goodmorning, then goes and does her thing all over the yard, returning only to happily jump into the kennel ebcause she knows i'm done cleaning. Granted, she is almost 8 years old, and completely trained/raised in a different way (i dont know really how she was raised, she was imported from the Netherlands fully titled etc)
Where with him, he seems to be overly obsessive. More so than ive experienced with my other dogs/shepherds. I was simply asking how i would help build the confidence in himself, I want him to be able to have control of any situation, and feel confident, feel like "its okay Ma' i got this". Yes i KNOW he is young, i KNOW hes slow to mature at this point, I just want to know what I can do to help bring that confidence in himself forward and be less dependant on "you got this one ma?".
He was strictly a "house pup" for about 4 months, except when I was at work he would be out in the kennel, but when I was home/at night he was in the house. Learning to crate train, house train, get used to weird noises/other animals/stairs/build bonds etc. For about 2+ months hes been strictly outside, except during the rotational in the house times, as this was when I started seriously training him. I train everyday by myself and have club on the weekend. Whether I do short obedience sessions, tug work/aggitation work, or bare minimal tracking, or even if its just traffic/civil stuff like going to new places or walks on the road to get used to cars etc. When we are at club, he does not act all obsessed with me UNLESS i touch him. When he's "fighting" the helper and winning, and i'm told to gently pat his side and tell him good, he instantly releases the tug and turns around and spazzes out on me. Now we use verbal praise instead of patting.
Its just hard because like I said, i've not had one SO into me before, I dont know whether MORE time with him would "calm his nerves", or less time with him would help calm him when hes around me. Its frustrating just because I dont know which way to go with him in a training aspect.
by macrowe1 on 18 January 2012 - 00:01
Ok, just my opinion. You seem to be giving up on them when they don't do exactly what you want. I agree a lot with LMH. you're seemingly mad at the young dog for desiring your attention after being left in a kennel and being away from you. Nothing that you're describing says this dog is overly obsessed with you. These so-called temperment issues seem to be repeating with your dogs. One big problem I see: "my dogs are usually only out for training", so you don't take them out and let them play with you? I don't understand? It seems that your expectations are that a SL dog will be the best at both Working and Show and if its not or not easily fixed their gone. Amen Detroit!!!! Rehome him to me. I'll gladly take him in.
by Hired Dog on 18 January 2012 - 01:01
My last post on this topic/thread. "When it comes to working dogs, depend on what you see, not on what you would like to see".
Have a great evening.
Have a great evening.
by vomtreuenhaus on 18 January 2012 - 01:01
macrowe,
"only out for training" as stated in a later post by myself, is an EVERY day thing, whether it be obedience, tug, socialization, etc. They come out to play fetch, do show ring work, and ROTATE in the house, one week one will have my bedroom with me, one week another will. They come out quite frequently, as they DO have drive and need things to do. I dont just take them out and expect to sit at the table and read the paper, theyd go nuts. I take them out to go off and do things with them.
Did i not state I'm trying, willing, and looking for advice on how to help this male in this particular aspect, the aspect of self confidence? If I was going to "giove up on him and get rid of him" I would not be here, sitting at the computer for some reason having to explain myself to you people and gather advice and try new things with him, he'd have been gone.
And you say "all my dogs" When he is the only one with this behavior. The other bitch that showed a (to ME) weakness in temperament, I placed. Where are you getting the fact that all my dogs are placed due to temperament issues?
I really dont even know why I bothered posting here, after lurking for over a year and seeing how you people rip apart genuine people TRYING to get legitimate advice.
"only out for training" as stated in a later post by myself, is an EVERY day thing, whether it be obedience, tug, socialization, etc. They come out to play fetch, do show ring work, and ROTATE in the house, one week one will have my bedroom with me, one week another will. They come out quite frequently, as they DO have drive and need things to do. I dont just take them out and expect to sit at the table and read the paper, theyd go nuts. I take them out to go off and do things with them.
Did i not state I'm trying, willing, and looking for advice on how to help this male in this particular aspect, the aspect of self confidence? If I was going to "giove up on him and get rid of him" I would not be here, sitting at the computer for some reason having to explain myself to you people and gather advice and try new things with him, he'd have been gone.
And you say "all my dogs" When he is the only one with this behavior. The other bitch that showed a (to ME) weakness in temperament, I placed. Where are you getting the fact that all my dogs are placed due to temperament issues?
I really dont even know why I bothered posting here, after lurking for over a year and seeing how you people rip apart genuine people TRYING to get legitimate advice.
by vomtreuenhaus on 18 January 2012 - 01:01
And im not mad at him, im frustrated because hes recently shown a serious infatuation with me, and an insecurity in his own self confidence that he never had before. I am frustrated because I dont understand what I can do further to help him gain confidence.
by Chaz Reinhold on 18 January 2012 - 02:01
Have you kicked his ass lately?
by vomtreuenhaus on 18 January 2012 - 02:01
What do you mean? Like disciplined him?
No he really has never done anything in need of serious correction. He responds really well to the "ah ah" noise if he jumps on the counter or something silly that i dont want him doing. Other than that, I've corrected him once for reacting aggresively to another dog (and by that I mean I scruffed him quickly, said no, and released him and he was fine).
No he really has never done anything in need of serious correction. He responds really well to the "ah ah" noise if he jumps on the counter or something silly that i dont want him doing. Other than that, I've corrected him once for reacting aggresively to another dog (and by that I mean I scruffed him quickly, said no, and released him and he was fine).
by Chaz Reinhold on 18 January 2012 - 02:01
I agree with Hired Dog. Sounds like a shitter.
by Chaz Reinhold on 18 January 2012 - 02:01
by hexe on 18 January 2012 - 02:01
HiredDog wrote:
The pups I have always gotten are 6 weeks or age, max, that way I can instill in them what I want, the behaviors I want to see, bring out drives they will need later in life. By the time they are 12 weeks old, they understand basic obedience, are afraid of nothing environmentally, their prey drive is through the roof and are well on their way to becoming serious working dogs.
With all due respect to you, HiredDog, that's been YOUR experience...but you must consider whether or not your skills are at the same level as the average person's. It's been my observation that few people have a sound enough understanding of dogs to not inadvertantly create 'issues' of various types in pups obtained at less than 8 weeks of age.
The pups I have always gotten are 6 weeks or age, max, that way I can instill in them what I want, the behaviors I want to see, bring out drives they will need later in life. By the time they are 12 weeks old, they understand basic obedience, are afraid of nothing environmentally, their prey drive is through the roof and are well on their way to becoming serious working dogs.
With all due respect to you, HiredDog, that's been YOUR experience...but you must consider whether or not your skills are at the same level as the average person's. It's been my observation that few people have a sound enough understanding of dogs to not inadvertantly create 'issues' of various types in pups obtained at less than 8 weeks of age.
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