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Hi Oskar - even though money is a primary driver [especially at the top end of town] in Germany and I stated this in the Our Dogs article that I wrote on the last Sieger Show and keeping in mind that most if not all transactions are based on the very nice for the owner 'cash on delivery caveat emptor arrangement' the SV will need to address it in an honest and forthright way because they have a dire need right now to restore credibility to their organization.
I appreciate how easy it is to be cynical about the outcome but ironically, thanks to Harley's superstar status this will be a good litmus test for them won't it?

Louis

Videx

Thanks for the professional translation, but there seems to be an inherent contradiction in the statements:

There is no reason to withdraw the show rating awarded on the Bundessiegerzuchtschau, since the dog has fulfilled all formalities. The judge for this class, Mr. Lutz Wischalla has stated that this dog would not have received a top rating if the true status of his sire would have been known.

My interpretation: "The dog fulfilled all the requirements, however the dog did not fulfill all the requirements". What am I missing?

allanf,
dogs shown on the Siegershow from foreign countrys dont not have to fullfill the same requirements than the "german" dogs ! 

alanf: The SV Judge, particularly at the German Siieger Show, considers ALL factors regarding each dog. One of the factors is whether the sire & dam of a dog has a Korung. With the Korung withdrawn now by the SV, thise means Harley has a father with his Korung removed, therefore the Judge at the 2011 Sieger Show has states "Mr. Lutz Wischalla has stated that this dog would not have received a top rating if the true status of his sire would have been known."

Harley had gained the top rating position SG1 - YOUTH SIEGER in the 2011 BSZS

There is no reason to withdraw the show rating awarded on the Bundessiegerzuchtschau, since the dog has fulfilled all formalities. The judge for this class, Mr. Lutz Wischalla has stated that this dog would not have received a top rating if the true status of his sire would have been known.  I see what Allanf is saying , and had wondered about this myself. The dog has not fulfilled all formalities, and should not by the admission of the judge himself have received the top rating. Yet in the first sentence of the statement above they are saying there is no reason to withdraw the show rating.  It reads as though he keeps his title. Perhaps it is a translation issue, I fail to see how he could be allowed to retain it.

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SV website announcement Team Marlboro Jaguar by Videx on 09 February 2012 - 11:02	Videx Posts: 1290 Joined: Sat Jan 01, 2005 09:51 am
He would NOT have received the SG1 = very good 1  He would have receoved very good (lower down than 1st)

I brought these over, as I posted them to the wrong thread

I find it extraordinary and very worrying that the SV, having discovered a fraud, and by the judges admission awarded top honours to a dog which, had the truth been known would not have received the placing, are going to do nothing.

So he keeps his title and will remain YOUTH SIEGER despite the judges comment ?? !!   Lucky for someone, and a good promotional tool.....

For me the credibility of the SV just hit rock bottom if this is correct.

The credibilty of the Kennel Club (UK) must be LOWER than rock bottom -
The Kennel Club (UK) do NOT require Hip & Elbow grades/scores for breeding and registrations AND Showing

EXCEPT
for "Assured Breeders"  - they MUST Hip X-ray -
HOWEVER IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT THE HIP SCORE IS.
 
Says it ALL really -

although
I would add 
DOGS DO NOT EVEN REQUIRE A TATTOO OR MICROCHIP FOR ANY OF THEIR SHOWS.

David,
I did answer your questions in the other thread. I also put down the screening dates & results down for Jaguar, hope this helps.
Ulli

You illustrate my point. Whilst other organisations like the UK KC have no credibility in terms of health testing etc, the SV have always stood above that, by being the polar opposite.  To allow this title to stand demeans that position IMO, and there is no doubt that holding this title will do Harley's image no harm at all. As I said, a wonderful marketing opportunity, and one that I am sure will not be missed. 

What possible logic is there in allowing the title to stand? It does make you wonder.......well it does me.

inx
Based on my own assumptions, those statistics confirm that Jaguar (and/or the dam of his progeny?) has inheritable ED. If possible, the responsible bloodline should be traced and eradicated from all breeding programs. Who wants to see any one of the most noble of breeds wobbling around in pain?

Oskar1
Thanks for explaining. I have tried to find a decent translation of the SV Show Regulations, but had no luck, so I am just speculating here. I may have to edit stuff as information comes to hand.

With regards to Harley, what are the facts that apply to him winning the Youth Sieger? He is not a German-registered dog. He is not in the SV Breed Book, and never has been. Before the show, he won some other titles to qualify for the show. After Harley's award, his father, Jaguar, was found to have ED. Harley meets all the formal requirements to compete in the show and receive the award of SG even though his father has ED.

When it was discovered that Harley's father had ED, the show-judge, Mr Wischalla, said that, if he had known his father's status, he would not have placed Harley so highly. Clearly, the formal requirements can not describe in total how a judge can select the best dogs at a show. One of the other factors taken into consideration is the health-status of a dog's ancestry (according to Mr Wischalla). I don't know if this would be written anywhere or if it is established un-written practice or if it is discretionary? (Thanks also to David for indicating what Mr Wischalla meant.)

The Kennel-Group placing awarded to Team Marboro was revoked for "technical reason". After Jaguar was found to have ED, the team no longer met the formal requirements. In this category, the satisfactory health of the ancestry is a formal requirement (unlike the Youth-Sieger category).

My initial understanding of the whole show and its awards was that much consideration should be given to each dog's suitability for breeding. This is not so, because Harley has retained the title of Youth Seiger and the rank of SG1 even though he is not suitable for breeding.

ABBY
I am glad I was not the only one who saw the contradiction.