Roach Back vs Straight Back - show - Page 8

I did answer you, clearly it was not the answer you wanted to hear. So, up to $2500 from untitled, uncertified parents. Pot, meet kettle.

I really wish showline people would go find another breed. THIS IS A WORKING DOG first and formost and should be breed accordingly. If things kep going the way the are the GSD will be gone forever.

Roach Back, bad hips, bad temperment, weak nerve all given to us by showline people the most destructive force in the GSD
 

Savitch, I was just wondering what gave you the right to say the above. Now I know.

Von Savitch K9
it's funny that the logo you use in this forum is made up of drawings of some very showline looking dogs.  Look at the stance!  Just saying!

I know right! 

You did not answer any question and anyone reading this thread can see that, if shutzhund is the minum assesement of character ( your words) again I ask you then how do you test your dogs and what are you testing for. It's ok I have my answers you know nothing about this breed. If you have a title and x-rays your good.

Someday showline people will have their lines that do not mix with the GSD ( I hope and Prey every Day) and your lines will wither away in a decade when you can go back to the preverable well THE WORKING LINE GERMAN SHEPHERD DOG.

Get off the avatar sketch is was done by children in my family. But it interested that when all you folks see and over angulated dog you identify it with showlines nice so do I.

Whats the word I am looking for...I think she was being sarcastic when she said that.  Like thats the minimum, like she does that already, then the other stuff.  Sarcastic isn't right I think, theres a word for it though.

She intentionally downplaying schutzhund showing it as her MINIMUM requirement.  Meaning....all her dogs have it before bred.

live4shutzhund your wrong that would have been a good way not to answer me but read her other post.

If I'm going to be told by a WL breeder that my dogs are responsible for the ruination of the breed, I would at least like to be told that by someone who adheres to a breeding system greater or at least equal to the one I adhere to. I'm not impressed by a SchH title alone, either. Far from it, in fact. But if schutzhund is such a weak and mediocre breed test, it should be ridiculously easy for such a genetically superior dog to obtain, yes? Additionally, it should be no problem at all to take five minutes to post said dogs' hip and elbow scores.

I wonder, is it ego or kennel blindness that convinces a breeder that the standards in place for decades are not necessary for them, that they surely must know better what is best for the breed, they need not present their dogs, in anatomy or especially in work, before an unbiased expert for evaluation, that they themselves have all the expertise necessary?


I'll remember that next time I'm dragging my lazy self out of bed at the crack of dawn to go tracking, spend my whole day off and half a tank of gas driving to a decoy, or dragging my fat, pregnant self around a schutzhund field this summer so I can title then breed my dog that I simply wasting my time, the judge knows nothing, my dogs are garbage, I should leave the breed in the hands of the real experts who don't need a measly breed standard.  

It is the (media) standard for the German Shepherd - instantly recognisable by all.  The working line dogs seem to come in all shapes, colours and sizes.  Everyone talks about the showline dogs and they would appear to mostly be black and tan with traditional black saddle - what is the standard for the working line if they are so different.  I am genuinely interested, not being sarcastic. 

Savitch, same thing.

She says the dog has to have MORE than a ScH title.  But at the minimum, a Sch title.  The whole post IS that word I am looking for.....Thats bugging me as well that I cant think of it write now.

Patronizing?  I think thats it.  Getting close though.  

Anyway, she does value Sch titles....as the minimum though.  Get it?

Hard to explain someone's well written sarcasm.  Was good though.

"Get off the avatar sketch is was done by children in my family."

Raise your hand if you've seen that particular piece of artwork all over the internet and at dog shows on everything from T-shirts to trivets for years.


live4, thank you. Someone with reading comprehension. In looking at a stud dog, I would also consider a dog titled in FR, mondio, or a K9 certified by an accredited organization (not just some random wannabe "K9" trainer- those are EVERYWHERE) in lieu of a schutzhund title, if the dog also had cleared hips/elbows, anatomy free of disqualifying faults, etc. I haven't used one yet, but I would certainly consider one. I do NOT think, "Oooooo, look at the shiny black and red SchH3 dog! Let's make puppies!". It's simply a baseline requirement for what I'm looking for, and I am far from the only SL breeder who sees it that way.

Maybe I'm wrong. Are your dogs titled in any of the aforementioned areas? If so, my apologies. Again, I did not see such on the PDB or your website. Then again, it must be out-of-date as you list the dog you claimed here to have severe health problems as a stud dog. I get behind on my site sometimes, too.


EDIT: Savitch, kindly put quotations around my words on your post. I'd like credit for my own opinions, along with my own spelling and grammar. Thanks.