What does a straight back gsd and roach back dog look like - Page 5

  No roach, works nicely...

That's a real beauty, look at that athletic body !! 

Ibrahim

Carole S  - Hello !  Yes, am well, thanks.  Hope u r 2 ?

AbbyNormal - IMO when you mention placement of the (whole)
ANATOMY in that context people will read: "She's saying all their
bones and organs are somehow scrunched up / in the wrong places".
I don't think I've got anything closed if I disagree with that picture.

So I'm sorry about my "shorthand" but I really feel we should be careful
about both the terminology and the audience.

When someone as experienced as Carole Lister suggests people should
READ about the breed, its no good just seeing her post and thinking
"Yeah but they won't" - so if someone has to goad people a bit (to get
them to look stuff up, even if just to prove cynics like me wrong), then I'll
do that.

Given that most dogs in the flesh (even a high % of those in the pix)
look far less exagerated / deformed than when stacked badly, I doubt their
ligaments, muscle structure etc is actually any different, even in really poor
topline cases, than the normal range (and it will be a 'range').
As 'noddi' describes, there are many different aspects to how a dog looks in
outline, depending on how they are standing.
I have seen her bitch many times, in and out if the Showring, and can vouch
for what she says (just as I know it from the many dogs, SL & WL, I've
handled myself.)

While I am not justifying them, the brachycephalics do have internal compromises
yes, but they are related to skull / jaw shape etc, not the 'whole body' extent
your post seemed to imply is the situation with GSD toplines.

Do you know how rare Cauda Equina is, in terms of the numbers of GSDs in this
world;  can you say hand on heart (better, prove) that these cases are all in a
certain shape of dog /topline / back / croup  ??  Not aware of any research or
stats which would back this.  A fair chance it would not correlate;  just as there
is nothing to show that cow-hocked dogs are always the ones which end up
with locomotor problems.

Joanro  -  "overbuilt" is a piece of decriptive terminology;  not an endorsement
or recommendation.

See what I mean about needing to be so careful of words we use ?

BTW  Y'know, its weird that we only have this sort of conversation in GSDs, I
never see e.g. Borzoi or Bedlington people going on about how the shape of their
dogs' backs is so unaesthetic / unacceptable / unhealthy.



 

The reason they (borzoi, bedlington, etc) are not being debated is because those breeds are in accordance to their respective breed standard. Not so with GSDs with other than flat, strong backs. I'm very much aware that "overbuilt" is descriptive term, and that it also minimizes the deformity. Btw, the above mentioned breeds do require care to prevent over-exaggerated conformation.

I have often pondered the thought that GSLs may have had BORZOI crossed in to gain coat texture and length. Also that if this cross did indeed take place, the top line in the GSL would reflect such a cross, along with a very long tail dragging the ground in some dogs.

Very nice looking dog Kevin. :)

Hiya Linda,yes we are all very well thanks.Chiki is now 9 years n is now shown in veteran,so not much chance of that 3rd elusive ticket.Methinks we,re banging our heads against a brick wall here.Kevin,nice well balanced gsd there mate with A CORRECT TOPLINE,not dead straight,flat nor level but as per standard,slightly sloping from front(withers)to back(croup)Joanro,where in the standard be it SV,UK KC,FCI or AKC,is the word FLAT used to describe a gsds backline??????Most photos of gsds printed on here,as having a straight back ARE STANDING 4 SQUARE as all other breeds are stacked.Its only gsds that are posed differently.I bet if you were to stand your supposidly straight backed dogs in a proper gsd show stance,then you will mosr definitely see a slight curve in the backline as the rear end drops when one leg is outstretched behind n the further its put back the greater the curve.If an animal is slightly shorter in length than is standard that will also accentuate the curvature of the backline.I,ve clicked onto Linda Shaws link n even the drawing she states as being roached ,IS NOT WOT I WOULD CALL A ROACH.Roached back to me is a definite peak in the backline(think there is a photo on here or the other thread)which demonstrates wot i mean.The whole topline should flow w/o interruption.Flat backed gsds to me are like a table with a leg at each corner,ie.giving a square look,which is not slightly sloping at the croup.Also some look like a ski slope,but i think thats more in the USA than UK.Have a go with your own gsds u sceptics n i,ll bet ya a dollar,when you check the photos you,ll notice the differnce in the show posed one to the one with the animal stood 4 square.Carole Spelman Rheinmeister gsds.

Flat and straight being inter changed casually here, not intending to upset you. Also, the stack of the gsd is preposterous.

yellowrose


I see the differense the other one has a more straight back beutiful built gsd stunning