Interesting SL/WL cross. What do youo like or dislike about the cross - Page 3

The female is an extremely nice dog of lines that are getting more rare to find.  she should have been bred to something that would compliment this.  Say a linebreeding on Yoschy......

Funny you should say that, did you see her breed survey?

I. Very Impressive dark grey female with good expression and dark eyes. Normal withers, slightly stretched, firm back, good croup. Upper arm should be more slanted, good rear angulation, good chest proportions, straight front, pasterns should be more firm. Correct stepping, good movement sure temperment. TSB pronounced does out. V. Very impressive working abilities and drive constellation VI.Recommended Linebreed Yoschy von der Dollenwiese or Troll von der Bosen Nachbarschaft Koermeister: Johannes Grewe

I would guess that if someone were hellbent on conducting a show/working cross, she's not a bad choice for the working side of the equation.  She doesn't impress in the conformation, but her actual offspring don't "look" bad at all.  I would perhaps select a more substantial male with strong secondary sex characteristics.  I won't watch or remark on video, as I assume a strong performer in protection work is a rarity in any case from the showline variety.  Provided whatever male that's chosen for her isn't an outright disgrace, perhaps the bitch can pick up the tab on this date.

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=706200

I think we were posting at the same time Darylehret.  This was the last breeding from her.  3-4 on Yoschy.  out of This male. http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=550513.  

Sort of off topic, but related to that video ... how many times can a dog keep going back for the survey? Until it gets lucky?? Or is it a 3 strike rule? 

I'm going to refrain from commenting on that video. I'm amazed it's even posted on Youtube. 

Not showline, but if I could choose "any" dog for her, I think I'd like Opal von der Röderburg or Ellex vom Salztalblick.

If the dog fails for 3 times,he/she is excluded from breeding.Slovak BSTs have been recorded since 2004 or maybe a year sooner,I am not sure for 100 per cent,would have to check that in the Club magazine Kynologicke noviny.

@ Cage....that 9 month old puppy appears to be a fine representative of the breed.....good drives, good intensity, not unsure of him self, excellent response to pressure at that age.....not saying perfect dog, but surely what I would expect from any line. Just a good solid dog. And when they are like that as opposed to the other video posted you get no negative stuff from me.

cage,
There is no surprise there as Darth is a Karats Ulk son! Tremendous work producing background for this dog as the mother line also has old Kirschental and Fedor in it. I have a Karats Ulk son who is very "real" and on the man! Even Flinks said he would own him, after working him. He said " A showline I like! I would own this dog!" "He loves the work, has full strong and calm grips"  That's him in my avatar.
Debby

why is someone even thinking of breeding that dog??? WTF is all that comes to mind.  I understand a dog can have a bad day, but come on.  Quit making excuses and start making wise breeding decisions please

I think, for that female, there are many many better choices in males. I haven't been in the breed for very long compared to some of you but since the poster asked for opinions, I will gladly offer mine. 

The purpose of any breeding should be to better the breed and I don't see where that is going to happen here. For a male of "VA" structure (In what country did he VA?) he is tall and lacks good height to length ratios in addition to poor secondary sex characteristics. That video his work was disturbing at best and in my opinion, he shouldn't be bred to anything. Ever! I love the showline dogs but even I am not blind to the fact that at best, only 20% of them are actually worth breeding. This male clearly falls into the 80% of paper titled/midnight trialed nerve bags that are better suited for knocking back cans of Alpo than knocking down decoys. You could show me 100 videos of him doing decent work and it still wouldn't erase the images of him falling off the sleeve and flinching away from the stick that have now been burned into my brain forever.  

I am not a huge fan of mixing the two lines, but if I were going to do it, this bitch is an excellent example of a proper candidate. If she were my bitch, I would have done one of the two mentioned linebreedings from her Kkl. Judging from her last litter, I'm not sure how one makes the leap from linebreeding on Yoschy to breeding to a spooky "VA". If it were my bitch and I was absolutely determined to breed her to a showline, I would have found a male much more worthy of her in conformation but also, and more importantly, in working ability. My greatest fear in this breeding would be the very real potential that one could end up with an entire litter of marginally ugly dogs with squat for working ability. 

That's just how I see it.






 

Debby, First, I would like to say that I agree with you about Timo in terms of strong working....yes he was sable, but his record doesn't reflect exceptional working SL, ok yes, but strong not particularly.
Let's go under the surface of Darthanian, because I think he demonstrates breeders who bred SL that were keeping working still in the place it should be. His sire is Karats Ulk, who you have first hand knowledge of ability to produce working dogs. Karats father is Ghandi and his mother is Lilskan. Ghandi is linebred 4-4 on Cello vom Romerau. Lilskan is linebred 3-4 on Cello vom Romerau. Cello was known for his producing working ability in Showlines. Maybe this is because Cello was linebred on one of the great females of that era, Wilma von Kisselschlut. Wilma's lines in 5 generations go back to Bodo v Lierberg, Jalk v Fohlenbrunnen, Arras vom Adam-Riesenzwinger, and Valet v Busecker Schlob. All of these dogs were known to produce strong dogs for any line.
Darthanian's mother, Zaira, besides being very highly titled, has a sire of Laius vom Moorbeck, Laius is out of Vando who was 5,5,5-5,5 on Lasso di val Solie. Lasso was considered Quanto's best producing son in terms of working ability. Very moderate dog of immense working aptitude. Zaira's mother was Wanesa Vlady-Sal, who was linebred 5-5 on Nick vd Wienerau. Nick, who went back to Mutz through his son Jonny vd Rheinhalle, is also known for producing strong working dogs within the SL.
So we see this male was built to be able to have good strong temperament. If you look at many of his ancestors, they are more moderate than the backmassed Canto lines, as he is backmassed on Quanto, primarily through his best working son Lasso and the big investment of Wilma. This is a nice pedigree in terms of structure and temperament, and its not a coincidence to me, the source of the breeding.JMO