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by Ramage on 05 August 2012 - 23:08
I agree with workingdogz - most everything requires a dog to think. Also, I'd not call advanced OB trick training LOL It's much, much more involved than that.
by Blitzen on 05 August 2012 - 23:08
Nosework seems like it could be a lot of fun. I haven't tried it yet with my dog. We are doing rally and will be training for her CDX after that. Rally is fun, but the dog doesn't reason out anything on it's own, it just has to follow the lead of the handler.
http://www.k9nosework.com/
http://www.k9nosework.com/
by Blitzen on 06 August 2012 - 00:08
LOL Advanced AKC OB titles aren't as easy as some seem to think. Tricks? Not IMO.
by SitasMom on 06 August 2012 - 00:08
A world level SchH trainer recently competed with a world level SchH dog in Rally and Obedience........
"Many SchH people poo poo this venue, if they would actually get out and do it they would have a whole new respect for it"...... - his words!
by RLHAR on 06 August 2012 - 01:08
I would suggest tracking, SchH or AKC.
Tracking requires a lot of mental effort, dedication, focus and problem solving from the dog, independent of the handler.
Just a standard SchH I track requires the dog to be working 10 meters away from his/her handler. At that distance the dog must independently identify change in direction of the track as well as the articles, at which point the dog must respond correctly to the article with an indication, all with the handler 10 meters behind them.
That is just the most 'basic' tracking. You get up into the advanced like FH and the STP (random search test) it can get quite challenging and calls for a great deal of training and mental discipline from the dog.
Tracking requires a lot of mental effort, dedication, focus and problem solving from the dog, independent of the handler.
Just a standard SchH I track requires the dog to be working 10 meters away from his/her handler. At that distance the dog must independently identify change in direction of the track as well as the articles, at which point the dog must respond correctly to the article with an indication, all with the handler 10 meters behind them.
That is just the most 'basic' tracking. You get up into the advanced like FH and the STP (random search test) it can get quite challenging and calls for a great deal of training and mental discipline from the dog.
by fawndallas on 06 August 2012 - 01:08
Great info Rlhar. I'll have to think about that. Thanks
by vonissk on 06 August 2012 - 01:08
Obedience is not tricks and just commands. As far as what your puppy did that's fairly normal behavior for our breed IMO. My dogs do it all the time--play tricks on each other to get the best place to lay or whatever. One will run to the door and raise a ruckus to get the others up so they can take over things.
And what a dog does in your backyard doing "tricks" may show you a very different side once they get in a place with lots of noises and other dogs. Obedience is a lot of work just to make that 170--qualifying score--much less a high in trial or something. IMO you need to go see some things and take a class or two before you begin judging performance events as tricks and commands.
And what a dog does in your backyard doing "tricks" may show you a very different side once they get in a place with lots of noises and other dogs. Obedience is a lot of work just to make that 170--qualifying score--much less a high in trial or something. IMO you need to go see some things and take a class or two before you begin judging performance events as tricks and commands.
by Blitzen on 06 August 2012 - 02:08
Very true, Vonissk, sometimes the environment inside a small building where there are lots of dogs and noise is pretty challenging. In rally the rings are generally small and the stations close together so it's not easy to lead a big dog through all the turns and exercises. And then you have a dorky handler like me who misses one of the stations and DQ's her own dog LOL.
by RLHAR on 06 August 2012 - 02:08
Also Fawndallas, you mention 'tricks' and I am not sure what venue you are targeting with that comment but -respectfully said- you are off the mark by a long shot.
What might look like 'tricks' on a finished product, like a You Tube video or in a rally shown on TV, is actually a lot of work for both dog and handler. Whether it be SchH, AKC Agility, Rally, PSA, French Ring, there are hours and hours of work involved and it is a process, not the teaching of a trick.
You recently saw a picture of a dog retrieving a dumbbell and asked what the dog was doing / why the dog had a vice on its mouth. I really encourage you to get off this website and get out to some of your local SchH clubs or AKC Agility, Rally clubs and get some hands on experience with seeing what is going on with the training, rather than asking about it, peering at it through a computer screen. You are going to get so much more out of a hands on visit and have a better idea what to pursue with your pups than anything you read or see on a computer.
For the record. I asked once about the dumbbell retrieve and what its purpose was in SchH. It was explained to me (and I by no means am trying to say this is the ONLY purpose) that it was part of the original test to show the dog's trainability to be able to be sent by a shepherd or man working with the dog to retrieve an object (any object) and return with the object, regardless of obstacle in the way. Definitely not a "Trick" but a very useful expression of trainability I would say, especially in a service dog.
What might look like 'tricks' on a finished product, like a You Tube video or in a rally shown on TV, is actually a lot of work for both dog and handler. Whether it be SchH, AKC Agility, Rally, PSA, French Ring, there are hours and hours of work involved and it is a process, not the teaching of a trick.
You recently saw a picture of a dog retrieving a dumbbell and asked what the dog was doing / why the dog had a vice on its mouth. I really encourage you to get off this website and get out to some of your local SchH clubs or AKC Agility, Rally clubs and get some hands on experience with seeing what is going on with the training, rather than asking about it, peering at it through a computer screen. You are going to get so much more out of a hands on visit and have a better idea what to pursue with your pups than anything you read or see on a computer.
For the record. I asked once about the dumbbell retrieve and what its purpose was in SchH. It was explained to me (and I by no means am trying to say this is the ONLY purpose) that it was part of the original test to show the dog's trainability to be able to be sent by a shepherd or man working with the dog to retrieve an object (any object) and return with the object, regardless of obstacle in the way. Definitely not a "Trick" but a very useful expression of trainability I would say, especially in a service dog.
by vonissk on 06 August 2012 - 03:08
Blitzen I can't comment on Rally except for what I have happened to see a little of. But the rings do look small and the dog I saw doing it was a sheltie I think and still it looked cramped to me. But I know about CDs--boy do I know about them--I know about points being taken off for clicking to your dog--forgetting you're not in class or a match or at home. LOL. I know about not starting off on the right foot, I know about dogs that say I've had enough during the long down and sit................not an expert but I know a little. I have watched CDX, and UD and wow is all I can say. I have watched Brace--again wow--and I have also seen dogs do different in diferent situations. Like the rings being set up where the sits and downs are against the wall as opposed to an "open type" ring. And puppies--my little Tri--my SAR prospect--right now she will just come when I call her but next week she may not know her name--conveniently. LOL...............Even with socializing and a gazillion classes it can be difficult to get any of those legs....................I've DQ'd my own dog before too and at one small OB club in the Dallas area people clapped for me when we messed up and I did a curtsey with a big smile on my face tho I wanted a hole to open up. Got a lot of claps for the curtsey too. LOL Good old dog buddies. So my final comment is you gotta have fun and be a good sportsman cause believe me your dog will know when you're not and it shows.
On another venue I am trying to get my girl into commercials or a movie. I have a little more help and pull then some might have, BUT even then, it's noisey, the lights are bright, you can't see anything but your marks where to stop, go and sit and regardless if you are a good handler or a half azz one, your dog has to be right and it has to enjoy everything and FOCUS on you. And that's a lot of things to do even in a 3-5 minute audition. Luckily Mauli loved it. And it takes a dog that is not only smart but also willing...................
On another venue I am trying to get my girl into commercials or a movie. I have a little more help and pull then some might have, BUT even then, it's noisey, the lights are bright, you can't see anything but your marks where to stop, go and sit and regardless if you are a good handler or a half azz one, your dog has to be right and it has to enjoy everything and FOCUS on you. And that's a lot of things to do even in a 3-5 minute audition. Luckily Mauli loved it. And it takes a dog that is not only smart but also willing...................
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