The WDA Scorebook Situation, Follow As We Go Through The Process - Page 4

Hexe, we're not talking about titles but *using* the scorebook.  The titles have always carried over and will continue to do so.  They can't deny or trump titles granted by an SV judge, but you have to have a recognized scorebook to enter the trial and compete in the first place.

VKGSD, I know you're talking about the scorebook--so am I. It's just foolish sentimentality, but I would want to be able to use the same scorebook the dog started it's career with, y'know, with the original signatures and such... I realize the titles still stand [if they're from an SV judge], I just think it would be a shame to have to start over with a new scorebook.

Things like that matter to...wait, what was I was recently called? Oh, yeah-- "angry old, lonely and bored" people like me.

[Edited to add--VK, looking back at my post, I see that I kept referring to the titles transferring over, which wasn't the point, while in the meantime I was visualizing the entries in the active scorebook for the trials, etc., with the signatures and such...  Anyway, the gist is that I just think USCA should let the active books from WDA issued prior to [pick a date] be certified if it had been acceptable to an SV judge when it was presented to them...] 

Did a bit of research.......here's a link to the WUSV constitution.....

http://www.wusv.de/index.php?eID=tx_nawsecuredl&u=0&file=fileadmin/download/satzungen/so_dir-806_satzung_wusv_e.pdf&t=1357401930&hash=f8a0f1b8966a3e9ce9ae218f40857d4d89fee729 
 
Below is the WUSV's english document that the WUSV has poted on their own website................




Article II, Section 12.
8. If in one member country two or more associations are members of the WUSV, each Member Club shall be obliged to allow the members of the other Member Clubs to participate in their events, unless there is a club ban for this member.

The Member Clubs of the WUSV aim to recognize examinations, breeding evaluations, certificates and/or breeding selections of other Member Clubs as far as possible. If examinations, breeding evaluations, certificates and/or breeding selections are awarded by an international WUSV judge or masters for the selection for breeding on the basis of a respective WUSV regulation, all Member Clubs of the WUSV shall be obliged to recognize these in full.





Reading this, the UScA and the GSDCA are abliged to allow each other's members to compete in each other clubs' events, trials and shows.

So why cant we all get along?
 

Thomas wrote:   "DVG members have to present a DVG score book at DVG trials. While UScA will stamp a DVG score book to use at UScA trials. The DVG >score book has no space for ring sports or temperament tests or health tests like the AWDF score books do."



 Thomas


 I believe that DVG is one of the clubs in this country that has a varience to the FCI about one scorebook. 
 That is what I was told  by DVG delegate in our discussions as a AWDF delegates about scorebooks.


  Frank

SitasMom,   I can't figure out why you would keep referring back to WUSV rules, GSDCA is not offering a scorebook WDA a non WUSV organization is the one producing the scorebook in question. Where is the authorization from GSDCA to produce this scorebook?

New development. Information coming soon.

Markobytes........if GSDCA/GADCA-WDA scorebooks were issued soley by GSDCA, the UScA still not accept them either....as this is written neither GSDCA or WDA are accepted.....


USA CERTIFICATION OF FOREIGN or NON USA SCOREBOOKS

Scorebooks issued by other clubs, SV, DVG, ADRK, etc. (with the exception of scorebooks issued by the German Shepherd Dog Club of America, WDA) can be USA-certified by sending the original scorebook, a copy of the dog’s registration papers and a copy of your current membership card to the USA Office. The appropriate fee(s) are as follows: if you are a current USA member, the cost would be $10.00. If you are a non-member, the fee would be $40.00.

  Thank you for the reply SitasMom, I looked through the USA website and saw two different sections stating that WDA scorebooks can not be certified. There was no place I could find that specifically denied GSDCA scorebooks if there were any such thing. I have one of these scorebooks and written in tiny letters says trademarked logo used by the permission of the GSDCA, it does not say scorebook printed by permission of GSDCA. Is GSDCA trying to keep itself at a distance from bitework and so doing they are leaving those with WDA scorebooks hanging?  As you have shown by your posts on the WUSV constitution I do not see how UScA could deny a GSDCA scorebook. I have read one rational argument of why UScA is doing what they are doing that made sense to me the other arguments just don't hold water in my opinion. On the USA website I did find a ballot measure from 2003 where Lyle Rotemeyer tried to get UScA not to recognize the existence of the WDA and not to recognize any tittles or awards from a WDA event even if they came from SV Judges. On the face of it  this one seems to be downright childish, no wonder we have been jerked around. I wonder if Germany is paying attention to either of these organizations. 

Sitasmom is wrong. If someone presents a WUSV member org scorebook then USCA will accept it.

Here's what I have so far.

I checked the GSDCA website. No scorebook offered. I wrote to the GSDCA and asked if they had a GSDCA approved scorebook and after some correspondence, the answer from the person with authority is; yes, the scorebook pictured on facebook bearing both the GSDCA and GSDCA-WDA logo is officially endorsd by the GSDCA. Next question was and this is where we are; Why hasn't anyone told USCA about the endorsement?

As Unknown stated above; all the other clubs have to do is show the affiliation and the rest is already done through the WUSV agreement. To date this has obviously not been done.

At some point between May of this year and now. The GSDCA reached an agreement with the GSDCA-WDA. Nothing was done to convey the details of the agreement to USCA for their inclusion or acceptance.

It appears both sides may be right. The WDA is offering a GSDCA approved scorebook and USCA believes the WDA issued scorbook is not GSDCA approved and therefore is not obligated to accept it.

Considering the sole and only purpose to have the WDA get the GSDCA approval would be to have USCA accept them. I'm unclear as to why this was not done immediately upon GSDCA endorsement. Someone in the WDA should have sent a copy of the agreement to USCA with a cover letter stating something simple like;

The GSDCA has extended use of their WUSV authority to the GSDCA-WDA to supply GSDCA authorized scorebooks. Please see the attached agreement. We request these scorebooks be recognized through the WUSV reciprocal agreement. Please contact us with any questions or concerns.

If this had been done, I'm pretty sure we wouldn't be doing this exercise.

I have suggested to the GSDCA that they may want to communicate this to the WDA and have someone in the WDA follow up. I've also offered my services to expedite the process. I'll continue to follow the progress and post the results.