Show line-working line mix, a revival of the breed? - Page 5

I can think of several reasons why someone would mix high lines and working lines. One would be an earnest attempt at the golden middle. I have heard since the show lines have more ''nervey'' temperment makes it is easier to get aggression form the dogs and that could be a reason to mix blood lines. An attempt at better structure in their working lines would be the mirror reason.  My observation is it happens now and in the near past, just look at the 5-6-7-8 generations of most top working dogs to see. But on the reverse you will not see the high line dogs carry any ''other blood'' than is seen winning for the past 25 years. The top "V" & "VA" dogs are out of very few ancestors. A beginner breeder should study ideas and methods before making that 1st try at ''perfection'' in their breeding program. Get into a local club and a national club. Seek a mentor, and learn as much as you can. Then go find another mentor and repeat.

Thank you for all your comments. Of course, I'll have to do my homework before proceeding to this. I might as well give up this enterpise if my female doesn't turn up to have a good temperment, or, even worse, she's got dysplasia. On the other hand, it won't be easy to find a match for her. Advice is also difficult to get, as most breeders won't even hear of mixing show with work. The majority of them don't have an open mind for this for reasons that have already been mentioned and, perhaps, for many others. It is true, though, that good dogs have been produced from mixing lines and, since the root is common.....Who knows, maybe one day the German club wil decide that mixing these two lines is the best way to return to the good, ol' dogs, as it is said that "better" is the enemy of "good".  Thanks again! 

            the never ending story - don´t give up, Kit

Hora why do you want to breed your female?

Kitkat, no need to get so dramatic and defensive.

I believe pretty much everyone who has expressed an opinion
about why these types of breedings don't tend to go as planned
have also acknowledged that they can in fact produce a
very nice dog if it all clicks together just right.

And there is no shame in a dog being a single purpose PDK9,
it is an admirable thing to have a dog of your breeding become 
an active Police K9, but even you will have to admit there is a 
substantial difference in what is required of a single and a
dual purpose dog. There are SL and WL-Sl crosses that do
become dual purpose K9's as well, but it seems that the role
of a detector dog is usually filled by a SL. 

I tend to agree with what Gustav wrote, while there are some very
nice dogs that can result from the SL-WL cross, they are not the 
'norm'.  And just in case you missed it, many of us have also taken
the time to note that there are some very nice strong SL's out there.
A good dog is a good dog. 

Workingdogz, you have more patience than me....of course we said those positive things also, but when people characterize what you say with absolutes and disregard the total of what you say...I just hope they don't breed with that same closed mindness. Most of us have said they can be done, most have said you can get some good dogs from them....but they are seldom seen in show, working, or sport. There are some tremendously knowledgable people that feel the negatives outweigh the positives....that's just fact. There are tremendously knowledgable people who like the concept, but it is a very small group....that is all I have read from folks....let folks believe what they want.

Well, you got to admit, the put downs on the showline dogs from all the knowledgable people gets pretty old.
And you can believa I am damn proud of a dog I bred being a respected member of the Police K-9 dept, and it pleases me greatly that a request to provide more of the same had been made to me by the police dept.
Feels pretty good that the officer came to me for a dog for his own personal family dog, that is being used for sport, yeah that feels and is good enough for me.
So aI guess aI will carry on and continue doing the best I can. Thats all aI can do.
As long as the people that get pups from me are happy, and I am happy about what I have,thats what counts at the end of the day.

If a put down is generally factually correct....is it a put down??? Some people can breed good hips consistently without getting hips certified because they have been knowledgable of their lines for 5plus generations....they are small minority, are they being put down if the majority don't feel this is a sound practice.?  I am not sure if normal practices can be construed as a put down......I guess so....smh.

Would the majority be the same if you were saying basicly that most showline dogs are crap if you were posting on a mostly showline forum?
And is it basicly an acceptable practice to feel two out of ten dysplastic pups in a litter from OFA'd parents is OK.?
I guess if the majority is accepting of that than the majority is doing that.
For me, that number is unacceptable, FOR ME.
As far as the topic of the thread goes, I would like to see more dogs that meet BOTH standards.
There is no guarantee when breeding within each own seperate lines is going to produce spectacular dogs either.
If there were, just think, the numbers standing at the winners podium would be endless wouldn't it.
The police would not turn to other breeds either because these knowledgable people that know what works and what don't work could certainly corner the market,
And yes, I take it very personally, I MYSELF, take great pride, in ALL my dogs.

To VKGSDs: IF I breed my female it will be because I want to keep a pup for myself.

I believe that we should put a stop to this thread. I thank you all, but we should stop here.