changing the stacking pose of the german shepherd?? - Page 3

Gustav;  I don't like seeing that either.  You can stack without
that being necessary.

ASL handlers set the inside legs as far front as they can in order to give the judges what they want, an exagerated sloping backline. Those dogs don't stand that way without a lot of training.I've seen a lot more AKC shows than I have SV, but I think that GSL handlers set up their dogs to exagerate a roach, again to please the judge.  A skilled handler can make any dog look a lot different by the way it's stacked. When I saw the Irma of my last GSD I didn't recognize her - she had a roach on the picture, none in real life . ASL, GSL makes no difference, it's all about pleasing the judge.

I've seen many dogs of many breeds that will stand naturally in a "GSD stack".  Some will also stand naturally as if pointing a bird.

But I see it in rings and when people stack the dogs all the time. So is the owner the fool for letting the dog be presented like that, or is it the handler who is a sheep to be doing what others in ring are doing, or the Judge is so lacking in knowledge to not realize this is unnatural or giving a misleading impression of the dog, OR are ribbons and prestige more important than correct structure in the breed ring?  The stance showcased in the ring leads to the non working structure and eventually temperament. History has shown this! Smh

All of the above, Gustav.

The only thing I have a problem with is when the stack doesn't have the dogs standing on their pads of the feet only. That's what the pads were in place for, to help absorb the weight of the dog among other things. If any other part of the dog's  leg is touching the ground it is unnatural or incorrect....jmo.
Totally agree, though when the actual foot (or hock or pastern) is touching I think it's no longer the stack that is the problem but the structure itself.

excellent pots gustav and blitzen................ i just want to know where on the standard is there a demand for roached backs and american style sloped backs???

why cant we get a dog to just pose like this...........http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dog.html?id=1862490.

what is wrong with having a dog stand like this??? human beings are so wierd????

Eddy, it's about giving the conformation judges what they want. If an owner is going to pay big bucks to enter a dog and to pay a pro handler, they are not going to want a handler who isn't going to present the dog in the traditional way.  Sure it looks silly to most, even the owners of those dogs,  but it is what it is - a beauty contest like Miss America where no girl who can't walk in stilletos wearing a thong with her buns taped together is going to make the cut  How wierd is that?

Eddy they DO stand like that!! You are making generalizations. There will always be extremes Take a look at my show line girl and tell me her feet are NOT in that exact position!!!.
 
Look at the difference in the same dog stacked in the AKC ring -

Totally different look.
Sounds to me like you are against the backs rather than the pose it's self!!

I'm enjoying the discussion on this thread.

Martin and I are just learning to stack Bosco (for his SV conformation rating) - he's pretty square. In the beginning, we kept over stretching him in the stack to try to give him some angulation. To my knowledge, Bosco has never stood in a "natural stack" position.

Here's a stack photo that we took to mark our learning progress (..and yep, we're terrible at stacking and I'm a terrible photographer). LOL.

i belive the 2 go hand in hand the bad stacks and the bad backs??? dont they??