Inside vs outside dog - Page 5

Momo,
snake proofing was your words not mine.
You haven't explained gun dog.

Your list doesn't impress me still.
Especially 4&5.
I'll give you number one though.

You don't have to believe anything momo I simply don't care what you believe.

Ha, Ha...... yourself.

For the life of me I've never had a bloated dog, sounds like a human mistake to me.
 

The problem with your statement is you are encompassing all people and dogs. Not segregating them into controlled studies.

Your statements are correct only for the people whom keep there dog outside and do nothing with them and simply throw them food or water and leave them on a chain or in a kennel or out to roam with no interaction. Vets see anyone. This means better than 90% of there practice is based upon people whom dont have a clue and quite frankly shouldnt own dogs in the 1st place.

your #'s)


1) heartworms and parasite issues.----- dogs on preventatives and groomed frequently you dont have an issue
2)timely response to medical attention----- the owner that works there dog and has them with them and checks on them multiple times daily doesnt have an issue. as far as bloat do some research like a responsible person and feed things that dont lead to bloat and manage your dogs intake and excercise!
3) scratches and bites------ any working dog gets nicks and cuts. However its up to the owner to provide adequate living arrangements for the dog that are safe. You build a kennel correctly and check it frequently and you want have an issue with anything you listed.
4)looking old----- you feed it well and correct diet plus give needed medical attention and care you dont have this issue
5)social behavior------ is a training/handler issue. not whether the dog lives outside or not.

Everything you have stated comes from a negligible owner not because a dog is inside or outside. Once again its simply the type of person whom throws there dog out and doesnt give a shit about it. Which unfortunately is a lot of people in rural environments.  Not the person whom has dogs outside that knows and takes care of them.


I will say it again everything that has been said is highly circumstantial and influenced directly by the caregiver/owner.It boils down to the dedication of the owner to provide adequate safe shelter and resources.ie food,water,grooming, vet care, training etc.....Just because a dog is indoors doesnt mean its healthy or safe and just because a dog is outdoors does not mean it will be unhealthy or unsafe.So be a good owner that spends plenty of time with your dog and give it the appropriate care and training and it shouldnt matter if its indoors or outdoors.

So when there is an actual study done from responsible owners only that backs up all these claims il by into it maybe. until then no. I have had dogs outside and in and never had an issue with any that would dictate such a statement as its horrible to have a dog outside.

That's a harsh attitude about bloat, Sam.  I assume you have never had to deal with it and that would be credited to your good fortune, not your skill at choosing the right food and exercise program. The best minds in the veterinary world can't come to any conclusion about why some dogs bloat or not. How do you monitor kennel dogs during the night?  I lost one dog to bloat many years ago, I last checked my dogs at 10 PM he was fine; when I woke up at 6 AM he was dead. Had he been inside with me I think I would have been able to recognize his discomfort and may have been able to get him the care needed to save his life. Pride cometh before the fall, don't get too secure in thinking that you know how to prevent a dog from bloating and don't be so quick to criticise those who have owned dogs that have suffered from this unforgiving condition. Most are just as responsible as  you, just not as lucky.

I think it kind of boils down to common sense.. If you live in a dangerous neighborhood, with wildlife or humans, probably be safer for dog indoors. If you live in extreme temperatures, very hot or cold, your dog would probably do better inside. If you give your dog proper care, exorcize and training, it probably wouldn't matter too much where it lives. I live in a very rural area with livestock. I keep my male outside at night to keep an eye on everyone. My female is kept indoors. I think dogs just prefer to be with their people, if I am outside they want to be out, if I am inside, they want in.. I think a dog inside would alert you better, if someone broke in, just due to being closer to you.. As I know I've slept threw barking dogs.. Also if a dog is kept in a kennel, there is no way for them to protect you..  As long as dog is being properly cared for, I think it's all owner preference..

Im sorry for you loss!!!!

I have dealt with rescues that have suffered from bloat in there housing facilities. So im not cold im aware and realistic. You are correct I have never had a personal dog bloat in my lifetime or foster that was in my care. And thats a lot of dogs in my care. Through feeding a balanced raw diet, managing when the dog eats, how much water the dog intakes per portion, and managing exercise around feeding times it has limited chance for a bloat case to occur.

Yes it can happen to anyone under some circumstances. But its still best percentage. and 1 in 5000+ cases arent a useful argument for telling someone its horrible to keep there dog outside.

but i dont wanna get off topic here so if you would like to talk about bloat ide be happy to in PM.

and I do not agree with putting a dog inside because of "extreme temps". Im complete opposite (within reason). Living in the mountains with huge difference in seasons i prefer my dogs to acclimate to the difference in temps. This is why so many dogs show up to the field on a hot summer day and cant handle it. Because they are inside dogs that arent out enough to properly acclimate to the conditions.

 

What kind of German Shepherd Dog do you want, that's what it boils down to in the end.
How is it to remain a GSD and survive in a bubble?
How is it supposed to pass on improved genes without being exposed to these things you seek to protect them from?

The breed is not a house dog, living outdoors it what made it what it is.



 in
more problems for the dog

out
more problems for the human

A lot of people get a GSD for a pet. A family companion doesn't have to be hardened. Just because a dog is allowed inside, doesn't make them soft, or less of the breed's ideal. Isn't a GSD ideally supposed to be a well rounded dog, able to adapt to working and family life? Isn't that why a lot of police department k9s go home and live with their handlers after their shift? I don't think it's that detrimental to a dog's health, if they are outside or in, as long as training, and health practices are met properly, such as nutrition, exercise and vet care..

A GSD indoors simply come with a different set of needs and rules is all, if your ready and able to handle it fine.
But don't tell me it's better for the dog.

 Just watching a tv piece about DOG TV.....we're all set.

Hi all,

Thank You all for your valuable insights. Everyone seems to have their own opinion and I respect all.
A little background of my situation,

I have a medium to large sized backyard and live in a suburb(love to live in a Farm with lots of land). I want shadow(My GSD) to develop a STRONG bond with my family and specially to me (Cause am the alpha of my house).
As some people here said, does not matter where the dog is, all that matters is the time spent with him, training done, socialization and above all else exercise he has. I also liked the idea of rotation, as in few days out and few days so he get accustomed to both in and out. Just wondering about when would be the best time to do it, I was thinking earlier on to help bond with the family and me can I have him inside most of the time with occasional outside in a shelter(we has a good sized shed) which is dry and keeps him safe. Though I am not sure of snakes(i have never come across one) or insects around here.

But my breeder has brought them up outdoors so am confused....

Just a quick question(out of pure curiosity) for previous/current dogs owners who keep the dogs outside, the development of bond involves in spending a lot of time with each other if am not wrong, if the dog is outside would we be able to give him enough(and how much is enough?) time to BOND??

I thought when Am home he would be with me inside and when am out he would be outside playing/running around. Is this A good idea?

Kishore.

The bond begins as soon as you get your puppy, eight weeks works for me.
So does everything else, the learning.

I keep a pup inside with my family, sorry for that confusion.
That's golden time.
Mine start going out as soon as they can negotiate my steps and stay out maybe around four months, I don't set a date just know when they're ready.


It's good your breeder raised them outside.

In doors or any given space, what goes into a dog comes out, important to consider.

P.S.
I almost forgot, a GSD with nothing to do will find something to do on his own.
Also, a shed is not a kennel.