Puppies! - Page 5

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I don't disagree with you.  And I don't think that sunsilver is to blame, sorry if it came out that way.  

But I do think that the errors in this breeding should have been pointed out and I would hope that sunsilver is able to exert more influence over her partner.  I've seen way too many litters like this and they don't all have happy endings.  Breeding is a huge responsibility and needs to be addressed as such.

That's my point.

I didn't say shit about cute puppies. I almost never do. 

bzcz, not likely. Probably is the result of me climbing up on my high horse, but the view is just so damn nice from up here!

BTW, you referred to the breeding that produced this litter as 'not carefully planned out'.  Are you privy to information that the rest of us weren't? Because I don't recall anything being said about it not being planned out...just that the OP didn't have any part in planning this litter out.  The person who initially purchased the bitch alone would CERTAINLY have done some degree of planning out the mating, given that she had purchased the bitch, and who buys an adult intact bitch as a potential breeding candidate without giving any thought to what one might pair her with... It's been my experience that when someone purchases an adult, intact bitch, they've gone searching for her with a plan already in mind as far as what lines they want her to carry, what her phenotype is...and what direction they foresee going with her as far as breeding is concerned.

What makes you think that this wasn't the case with the other co-owner of this female?  That she came into season and was in standing heat immediately was probably not planned, true, but I have no reason to believe that this wasn't the male SHE wanted to see a litter from out of this female AFTER the hips & elbows were done. Co-owners share a dog, and generally at least some similar goals and preferences when it comes to bloodlines, etc.--but they don't share a brain.

G'night, my friend. Gotta put the horse up for the evening.

Ah, ya got me, bzcz--you were posting at the same time I was.

Yes, it did come across as if you were flogging SS for the breeding.

And as the co-owner of this female now, I expect that she will have a great deal of input on the future direction of the breeding program involving this bitch. Can you really picture her NOT speaking her mind to her friend, from what you've seen of her here?

Good and productive discussion, bzcz. Far better than I thought this thread was heading, too.

Ibrahim you are the man.

I look at it this way - FWIW - don't tell me what I should breed , how I should breed or whether I should breed, your first step/concern is to worry about what you do or don't do. Don't tell me about the responsibilty - It isn't your responsibility to deal with my responsibilities. The people who say these things should lead by example and not try and shame other people into doing it their way. Ibrahim is 100% right that there are people who will not post here and seek help because it turns into someone with a GSOD complex telling others what they should and shouldn't do. SMH

TO answer the question of whether this breeding was well thought out, it was posted that,

I did NOT do this breeding. The bitch was in heat when she arrived, and the stud was already on the property and available, plus the owner has bills to pay. Hips/elbows pending on the dam.

That would almost be the definition of not well though out.  For GSD Admin... Yes of course,  By God, nobody ever better tell me what to do.  I'll do what I want, breed who I want, when I want....Then you want to talk about your responsibilities?

Fine, then don't post it here.  You've made it quite clear in the past that once you post something on the internet, you don't own it anymore.  Same is true here.  If you want to call this breeding Responsible?  you certainly can.   Just as I can point out that the emperor has no clothes. Don't want to hear it, then don't post.

Someone comes onto a GSD forum with this kind of a breeding and you want to have a bunch of people cheering these decisions.  Then you should be ready for those who are going to point out that a bitch was bred who had no hip or elbow xrays done.  There is NO knowledge if she is dysplastic at all.  Who would possible pay the price Hexe talked about (1000 +) for puppies from untitled parents with the mother having no known status of her hips and elbows.  You have at this point a litter of pet puppies.  There are enough of those around already. 

If someone wants to be treated as if their breeding is responsible, then they should act like it. 

BZ - Great post

Kim

It all depend on the purpose of post, if I make a post requesting opinions on the breeding I did then I am inviting you to share your opinion BUT if I make a post of puppies pictures and there is no request whatsoever to give opinions on the breeding then no one has the right to criticize my breeding choice, you don't like the pairing, health, colors.... Don't buy one.

when OP shows unhappiness about responses on something he/she did not ask for why do you keep posting about same point that is not the subject of the post ?!

Ibrahim,

Because to ignore the fact that it is a bad breeding and to only praise the result of the breeding gives tacit approval to the breeding.

Where is the impetus for the breeder to grow and change and become more responsible then?

Well it surely won't come from a bunch of internet people who are only trying to shame. The impetus will come from knowledge and not a stick, gun or shame, you will only cause people to tune out and ignore your great experiences. I wonder why you BZ changed your name to hide your real identity if your breedings are so great. Funny you should hide your name and then slam on others for what you consider to be a bad breeding? SMH