Character of the German Shepherd Dog - Page 8

Judges have some leeway when they’re doing a breed survey. Although size is important, it’s crazy to dismiss a dog due to a centimeter or two below or above the standard. Many dogs have a lot more to offer even though they are outside the standard size. Judges definitely take the other information they have about the dog into consideration when making the comments they do in the breed survey and when making the decision to pass or fail the dog. Size is probably the easiest thing to breed for when it comes to GSD. Have a small bitch? Don’t pair her to a small male or a male known to produce/have small bitches in their lines. We can lose some strong traits and good lines if we are so steadfast on some of the measurable traits.

There is no more KKL1 or KKL2, and till 2020 the seize is no longer critical for KKL.
It´s mentioned, it´s captured, but ( at least officially ) not rated.

This is just for your information, and does not reflect my personal opinion about it.

Oh!, so that part of breed survey was changed🤔, I learn something everyday.
That dog in the past named Vello, was he considered oversized? Was he an important dog in the breed or just used for some backyard breedings?

Which Vello?

Vello zu den Sieben Faulen

That´s what I thought, but I wasn´t sure...

Vello was considered oversized, not breed surveyed, and for sure looking back he was an important dog...

My problem is, today there are enough good dogs that are not oversized, we are not living in the fifties any more, given a chance these dogs could become "important" without the possibility of inheriting oversize to their siblings...

For me the oversized, too heavy dogs are a real problem.

So was Vello important for producing oversized dogs or for producing some of the correct greats of the breed. I'm trying to learn.....so compensatory breeding really isn't a good breeding strategy with all the correct dogs today?

Vello sired the B litter Lierberg

Agree with Susie 100% on her last post. Especially when Susie says "For me the oversized, too heavy dogs are a real problem".

Mackenzie

Let's not get this twisted, I am not propagating breeding oversized heavy dogs in general, anymore than I advocate breeding dogs that are soft in temperament; when there are many correct( strong) dogs in temperament to be bred. I am saying that sometimes there are excellent examples in the breed except for singular faults or dogs that having some faults have overwhelming traits that need to be preserved that with compensatory breeding we try to hold these traits and reduce/eliminate the faults in future progeny. The same principle as breeding NZ dogs. Some elitist will advocate never breeding an NZ dog based on same principle. But that would exclude countless dogs and progeny of NZ dogs that have become great working dogs and produced such.
This same principle to my way of thinking plagues the black and red dogs, I said on this forum probably 10 years ago that the black and red (SL ) dogs will not improve in temperament as long as they only breed to ( correct) dogs, ( that being dogs being black and red deemed superior or correct structure) that they deem have strong temperament within the black and red community. Well, overall the temperament hasn't improved at all, and many will submit it continues to decline as evidenced by their numbers in work, competitive events, even the Universal Seiger shows. They must introduce " faulty" blood( working lines and other colors.....yeah I know there are V rated WL but if you understand this breed you know what I mean by faulty because the judges so seldom reward WL with high ratings I can only conclude that they are faulty to them) and since they totally resist this concept the working temperament has not improved. No I don't consider myself a prophet, but just a common sense person who does not view any aspect of the breed so sacrosanct that it shouldn't be compensated for when it gets too extreme.

Look, most know I am a little eccentric to most of the contemporary correct breeders of today in some of my practices and thoughts, but until I see an overall return to this breed in general being a working dog, some of the PC practices have gone too far, imo. But then again, I may have it all wrong!