So you have a real protection dog in your kennel ??? - Page 5

really VK you should do some reading before you respond to posts like this, 90 % of KNPV dogs is mix or no pedigree dog and all mix breeding to supply policedogs in eastern europe is supplying a large part of the worldwide policedog demand

here is your tipical easter block mali X german shep mix

https://youtu.be/NIuk7siaGBQ

Mix breeds have no ancestors?

Nobody in eastern block and knpv know anything about the parents of the dogs they breed? There are no record of ancestry, no BRN?

You know if you mix BREEDS then you are mixing PEDIGREES, that information does not disappear.

my dog has no papers, his litter mates do. does my dog have a pedigree?

 

KNPV is not a sport?
 

KNPV is a sport, bitework is prey motivated and program is allways the same,points are rewarded for correctness of exercise


Some KNPV trainers and breeders however take pride in breeding and training strong dogs, like van leeuwen dutch shepherds for example,

all mixed breeds are non pedigree, mostly over multiple generations, some including bullbreeds, terrier breeds etc mixed in, and yes they are bred for policework only in eastern europe, hundreds a month, washouts go to garden

here is a american bulldog X malinois mix, now working in USA prison as drug detectiondog

https://youtu.be/toQa887_whA

  Here's my boy Easy, aks Bear. He started out same as all my pups do. Always with the desire going in, that each and every pup I breed will have the potential to become certified Police k9. NEVER the expectation that they all will. I am realistic

    He started out, with my being duped, in what was to be a regular home, but ended up being neglected and mistreated. THANK GOD , he found his way home.

   I was seriously worried about his overall outlook for the future. He was very scared, esp., of men.

   Believe it or not, he was welcomed back into my pack, as if he never left. His confidence and overall strength returned rather quickly, and his added boldness stood out, within a month.

   I sent a video to my trooper friend, who is coordinator police k9, he said hell yeah...

next morning Bear was picked up, that afternoon he was on the training field, new name, EASY, new life, now certified Police k9, maybe not born TO BE a police dog, but, most important thing, Born with the ABILITY to be one....and he is not alone from my breedings, so apparently.. the genetics are here.

Have to give him his Glamour shot too. Very proud of him. Waiting on word of the last recruit,

I've seen a few too many littermates raised in different homes, with different styles of training to chalk a lot of behavior up to genetics alone. Genetics gives you a baseline, and in many cases it gives you a ceiling to the dog’s ability. I think a truly great dog can do either sport or LE, just depends on how it’s raised and trained. The highest level sport people look for a ceiling that is much higher than is necessary for 99% of LE work. Want to deny that? Go nuts, there’s a reason that sport dogs are sold for the money they are. Could most LE dogs do sport? Absolutely. Are they all national level or above? Doubtful. Has nothing to do with drives/selection/breeding. Has to do with the fact that so few dogs out there are of the highest level in the first place that the numbers tell you that not even police dogs would have the “special dogs” within their population. The market also tells you this as a sport home (private) can generally pay way more for a high level dog than a police department can, so if the dog was capable, the dog would be sold to a sport home rather than a police department or trainer.

Then on top of all that...you add in the ability of the trainer. Very few have what it takes to make it to the highest levels of sport, yet somehow most states (in America) have multiple trainers/facilities that raise/train/sell dogs to police departments without a problem.

BW the sportdogs that sell for more money are the highscoring ones,not the average ones
if you take all the hours of training into an IPO3 competitiondog and compare that to a green policedog your IPO3 dog will bring you about 3 cents an hour training, or to turn it around, it takes years of training to be a top sportdog so should bring a higher price

second of all I am talking TRAITS or genetic basics to start with before training
and third no training can make an overly social dog suspicious or make a soft dog hard, etc etc

I see the dogs with highest potential for high points being sold for bigger money than any department or K9 trainer would be willing to pay. I’m talking about the green dogs that are showing the ability and not the already finished ones. I do think that there are certain traits which sport people value which end up limiting the pool and decreasing the supply of dogs therefore driving up price. Something like “strong/calm grips” might not be something that a police trainer really cares about so they have more options.

I get what you’re talking about with traits…but you’re greatly over generalizing. I think that prey is important to a lot sport people, but balance in aggression is also something most look for. LE might not need the obedience drive that sport does which is why “balance” is thrown around, but to me it’s more that they are willing to settle for less or they just don’t need the extreme drive we’re talking about for high level sport. Every time I see “balanced” in an advertisement, it basically means lower/medium level of drive in all phases. Club level dog, and with the right training possibly a K9 prospect. Like you stated earlier (and very true) the most important thing for LE is environmental nerve/stability, something most sport people and even pet people don’t care too much about because our dogs just need enough to get through their limited daily life.

You know what I’d really love an answer to…if police departments/trainers value the aggression and sharpness of the type of dog that would generally be more associated with a “defensive dog,” why is it that they have no issue purchasing and training malinois which are 99% of the time completely the opposite? Leaving out the cost/upkeep/working life of a malinois…if the traits you listed are what LE values, how is it they even consider malinois?

simple, any dog that passes the test is option no matter what breed and there are people prefering one breed over the other ,
secondly most "malinois" that go to police are actually MIX malinois, populair is mix GSD X Malinois where they get best of both worlds and we sell the ones with malinois looks to the ones who want malinois

the Am bulldog X malinois video that I posted was actually sold to a contract that stated "only malinois"

here is one very nice balanced mix mali I tested today
https://youtu.be/f36yE55fGwA