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by Baldursmom on 29 July 2009 - 15:07
Robin:
You are REAL! Thank God there are people like you in the dog world that understand that to teach is to teach over and over again. It is hard to see new people here asking about simple tasks like housebreaking and continue to respond, but really to a new dog owner this is new territory. To a new GSD owner, we owe them all the patience in the world to assist in protecting the reputation of the breed, be it a working, show or american line. To the general public a bad GSD is a GSD, a bad experience with a breeder, trainer or GSD owner, reflects on all of us.
If we want the reputation of GSD owners to be right wing political or religoius fanatics, antisemetics, and the plethora of other personality types that surface here then continue to tolerate the post that newbs will see. If we want to be seen as upstanding proponants of the most wonderful breed on earth, then we must reflect that in our posts. We can have our preferences and beliefs and reflect those in a calm and productive manner. True knowledge will always shine through. However, just like with teaching in the inner city, it can become an emotional overburden to deal with the violent language and personal attacks that occur on this site, sometimes coming here is like driving through a graffetti plauqed street with pannhandlers all round. To heck with finding the store and information I was looking for initially. Really turns people off.
Its as simple as Robin has defined it. Keep the advice simple and let your expertice shine through. Keep personal political and religous ideals and morals out. For readers, take what you like and leave the rest.
You all have a great day!
You are REAL! Thank God there are people like you in the dog world that understand that to teach is to teach over and over again. It is hard to see new people here asking about simple tasks like housebreaking and continue to respond, but really to a new dog owner this is new territory. To a new GSD owner, we owe them all the patience in the world to assist in protecting the reputation of the breed, be it a working, show or american line. To the general public a bad GSD is a GSD, a bad experience with a breeder, trainer or GSD owner, reflects on all of us.
If we want the reputation of GSD owners to be right wing political or religoius fanatics, antisemetics, and the plethora of other personality types that surface here then continue to tolerate the post that newbs will see. If we want to be seen as upstanding proponants of the most wonderful breed on earth, then we must reflect that in our posts. We can have our preferences and beliefs and reflect those in a calm and productive manner. True knowledge will always shine through. However, just like with teaching in the inner city, it can become an emotional overburden to deal with the violent language and personal attacks that occur on this site, sometimes coming here is like driving through a graffetti plauqed street with pannhandlers all round. To heck with finding the store and information I was looking for initially. Really turns people off.
Its as simple as Robin has defined it. Keep the advice simple and let your expertice shine through. Keep personal political and religous ideals and morals out. For readers, take what you like and leave the rest.
You all have a great day!
by Xeph on 29 July 2009 - 16:07
Are you even advanced enough to realize who this kennel is and the accomplishments they achieve in the GSD world. (U.S. and Germany)
Well thank you for insinuating that I'm primitive. I do indeed know Robin....she and I actually met (may have been two years ago now). Maybe she remembers myself and Strauss. I watched that show, and I stayed long after...and asked a TON of questions to the judge! He was fascinating. I even learned the German word for linebreeding ^_^
The SHOW itself wasn't my cup of tea, perhaps because it is just so different from what I'm used to, but I learned a ton, and THAT is what made it enjoyable!
Well thank you for insinuating that I'm primitive. I do indeed know Robin....she and I actually met (may have been two years ago now). Maybe she remembers myself and Strauss. I watched that show, and I stayed long after...and asked a TON of questions to the judge! He was fascinating. I even learned the German word for linebreeding ^_^
The SHOW itself wasn't my cup of tea, perhaps because it is just so different from what I'm used to, but I learned a ton, and THAT is what made it enjoyable!
by Sunsilver on 29 July 2009 - 16:07
Robin said:
[quote]My statement holds the same truths..........
And I do believe that no one should become abusive to anyone on this forum or any other for that matter.
But, besides "offensive, vulgar words"....there are ways to put in words "abuse".[/quote]
I'm going to let Rik's words speak for themselves. Here's his comments on my bitch, who has 4 German SIegers and 2 American GV's in her pedigree. Unfortunately, she didn't turn out the way I'd hoped, but she is certainly not the product of a puppy mill or BYB. Fred Lanting evaluated a picture of her for me, and said she had some very nice points conformation-wise. She was sold to me as a potential showdog/breeding dog, but as we all know, puppies are a crapshoot. Her front feet turn in slightly, so she doesn't gait nicely, and one hip came back mildly dysplastic. So, I've had to swallow a really big disappointment, and get her spayed. We are now working on tracking and obedience, and when the time comes, she will replace Ranger, my male rescue, as my Hearing Ear dog.
Newcomers come her and ask questions about the panda. To them, it is new. The regular posters groan and think "Oh, no, not this again!" But like Xeph being asked for the thousandth time about how to stop a dog from jumping up, I thnk we have an obligation to answer POLITELY, even if it's just to tell the person to use the 'search' function to find those other panda threads!
I could post a few other 'gems', but I think that's enough. Time to get off the computer and do something with my 'POS' dogs!
[quote]My statement holds the same truths..........
And I do believe that no one should become abusive to anyone on this forum or any other for that matter.
But, besides "offensive, vulgar words"....there are ways to put in words "abuse".[/quote]
I'm going to let Rik's words speak for themselves. Here's his comments on my bitch, who has 4 German SIegers and 2 American GV's in her pedigree. Unfortunately, she didn't turn out the way I'd hoped, but she is certainly not the product of a puppy mill or BYB. Fred Lanting evaluated a picture of her for me, and said she had some very nice points conformation-wise. She was sold to me as a potential showdog/breeding dog, but as we all know, puppies are a crapshoot. Her front feet turn in slightly, so she doesn't gait nicely, and one hip came back mildly dysplastic. So, I've had to swallow a really big disappointment, and get her spayed. We are now working on tracking and obedience, and when the time comes, she will replace Ranger, my male rescue, as my Hearing Ear dog.
SunSilver, I'm sure your dog is a nice pet, but by no stretch, of any standard in any civilized nation is your dog a S/L(Okay, someone please explain to me how a dog that comes from showline parents is NOT a 'showline'?? No, I didn't say SHOW DOG. )
Not American, not German. It is a pet as are 90+% of all "show dog breeding's" any breed, any country.
Why you would point to such a complete POS "anatomy wise" to prop up Xeph and compare to dogs such as Vegas, Ilbo, Dexter, Idol, Hoss, I can not fathom.
It turns out both Xeph and I HAVE visited the Estahaus site, and Xeph nearly purchased a dog from him.
Not only do you make this comment from never having gone to Germany, you and SunSilver are apparently so incredidbly stupid, or lazy, that you do not even visit Estahaus web site to view the many videos he post of Am. Type/ German S/L dogs he brings from Germany.
This was after I posted links to the genetic testing done on Frankie which showed he was a purebred GSD, and even pinpointing the chromosome which had the mutation for the panda colouring. I also posted links to another thread, started by a lady with the username Incavale, who had a panda pup born in a litter of very well-bred German GSD's. All other pups looked like normal GSD's.
hamza, you do not understand. This is a GSD forum.
You must be incredibly stupid to think that the world of the GSD falls fot your "Panda Shit".
Take it to the general message board, take it to a Shiloh Board, take it any where except to a GSD board.
Hell, take it to that eternal sow, SuinSilver.
Just do not post this incredible stupid shit on a GSD board
Newcomers come her and ask questions about the panda. To them, it is new. The regular posters groan and think "Oh, no, not this again!" But like Xeph being asked for the thousandth time about how to stop a dog from jumping up, I thnk we have an obligation to answer POLITELY, even if it's just to tell the person to use the 'search' function to find those other panda threads!
I could post a few other 'gems', but I think that's enough. Time to get off the computer and do something with my 'POS' dogs!
by crhuerta on 29 July 2009 - 16:07
Xeph, Sunsilver..........I would like to personally appologize for the "impolite" words spoke to you or anyone period.
Rik, really is a nice guy.....and trully wants to do as much in this sport as any of us. He also does go out of his way, to educate himself. I respect him for that, as I respect anyone who does the same.
No dogs are POS in my mind........Show Line dogs that don't "conform" to the show, Working Line dogs that can't "perform" to the work....yes...even Panda's. By the way......I have seen them before....maybe 13 years ago, 1st time......couple from the same "father", different mothers......but they looked more "Swiss Mountain Dog" colored?!......ok..regardless.
Could everyone just call a "cease fire"?......and begin anew? I'd really like to diffuse this situation.
p.s Xeph,.....who was the judge?....whats YOUR name?.....geez.....I hope I was courteous?
Robin
Rik, really is a nice guy.....and trully wants to do as much in this sport as any of us. He also does go out of his way, to educate himself. I respect him for that, as I respect anyone who does the same.
No dogs are POS in my mind........Show Line dogs that don't "conform" to the show, Working Line dogs that can't "perform" to the work....yes...even Panda's. By the way......I have seen them before....maybe 13 years ago, 1st time......couple from the same "father", different mothers......but they looked more "Swiss Mountain Dog" colored?!......ok..regardless.
Could everyone just call a "cease fire"?......and begin anew? I'd really like to diffuse this situation.
p.s Xeph,.....who was the judge?....whats YOUR name?.....geez.....I hope I was courteous?
Robin
by Bob McKown on 29 July 2009 - 16:07
Sunsilver,Rik, and the rest:
Folks "To each there own". Sunsilver my Dear to keep this merry go round going is beneath you. your dogs are just fine.
The depth of these types of conversations would not allow a bug to swim so lets just all agree to disagree.
A knowledgable person would never call anothers dog a POS unless he has seen,worked,trained the afor mentioned dog so lets try to keep a civil tounge thru these threads if you please.
People just show there ignorance by continualy throwing this subject around.
Lets not keep beating a dead horse.
Folks "To each there own". Sunsilver my Dear to keep this merry go round going is beneath you. your dogs are just fine.
The depth of these types of conversations would not allow a bug to swim so lets just all agree to disagree.
A knowledgable person would never call anothers dog a POS unless he has seen,worked,trained the afor mentioned dog so lets try to keep a civil tounge thru these threads if you please.
People just show there ignorance by continualy throwing this subject around.
Lets not keep beating a dead horse.
by Nellie on 29 July 2009 - 17:07
I come i look and i go again, because all their seems to be is constant bickering. Not everyone is born with the wealth of knowledge as some of the members on here seem to think they were born with , most humble people have to start somewhere at the bottom and work up, and it's only by others shareing their infomation and knowledge, even to the pet owners,this knowledge is learnt, but to come on here and read the rudness and hostiliy that some people splurge out onto their posts leaves me thinking ,
A forum will always get repetive questions, if you don't like that then don't awnser the post, leave it to someone else ,not be rude and undermining,
And if the question dosen't fit with this forum, redirect to the search, being polite dosen't cost anything, but can gain much admiration
A forum will always get repetive questions, if you don't like that then don't awnser the post, leave it to someone else ,not be rude and undermining,
And if the question dosen't fit with this forum, redirect to the search, being polite dosen't cost anything, but can gain much admiration
by Two Moons on 29 July 2009 - 17:07
Its not hard to see why intelligent, knowledgeable people don't like to post.
SSDD.
SSDD.
by Liesjers on 29 July 2009 - 17:07
Rik on one hand I get your point but on the other hand, I don't see how useful it is for people to be coming to public internet forums for good, real, experience knowledge and information about the breed in the first place. I'm guessing you wouldn't disagree considering the time and effort it appears you put into actuall getting out there, attending shows, going to training club, meeting new people and picking their brains. I have found that I learn a ton about the breed when I'm asked to photograph a show because I sit next to the judge, inside the ring. I overhear all the chit-chat in German, which I luckily understand. To me being in the ring with the judges at NASS was far more insightful than all the "discussion" back and forth on this forum about that event. Personally, I'm not all that surprised that there isn't some pie-in-the-sky GSD forum with all the best breeders, trainers, and judges because that's just not how we really get to know our breed. The people who need more experience need to get out there and get the experience, and the people who have it often have better things to do with their time than put up with the type of crap that goes on around here.
I don't know Robin and Carlos personally but I know my breeder (whom I consider a friend more than just my breeder) has picked Carlos' brain on several occasions and his team has been extremely helpful in every way, also helping my friend who is just starting out as a handler and needing honest advice from experienced people such as team Huerta Hof without being personally critized or laughed at because she had the misfortune of not being born into a professional handling family.
I'm not sure why you continue to single out Xeph. She has been helpful to me for over two years, before I even got my first dog (GSD). Obviously you don't agree (and maybe I don't either) but I don't see the need for singling her out.
I don't know Robin and Carlos personally but I know my breeder (whom I consider a friend more than just my breeder) has picked Carlos' brain on several occasions and his team has been extremely helpful in every way, also helping my friend who is just starting out as a handler and needing honest advice from experienced people such as team Huerta Hof without being personally critized or laughed at because she had the misfortune of not being born into a professional handling family.
I'm not sure why you continue to single out Xeph. She has been helpful to me for over two years, before I even got my first dog (GSD). Obviously you don't agree (and maybe I don't either) but I don't see the need for singling her out.
by Rik on 30 July 2009 - 03:07
Robin, I come here every day and you are one of the only one left with any kind of reputation tn the GSD world, Respected in the U.S. and Germany. I wonder why this is.
When I was doing research to learn of the SV dogs, I even find advice here from Marjit. Yet no one of this level comes here any longer.
And if you think that this old bird does not have you in her sights, then just keep posting.
Do a little search on how she enrages Chris. She how she takes every opportunity to discredit Randy Brent and his program.
Whenever anyone dares to show up with knowledge past the back yard, here she is, flapping and flogging until she learns what pisses them off to the point that they leave.
I know you know Chris and what her kennel accomplishes, so don't take my word. She what she says.
I truly do not understand people like this who do nothing and seem to be pissed because others do.
Regardless, you offer me very good advice,
Thanks again,
Rik
When I was doing research to learn of the SV dogs, I even find advice here from Marjit. Yet no one of this level comes here any longer.
And if you think that this old bird does not have you in her sights, then just keep posting.
Do a little search on how she enrages Chris. She how she takes every opportunity to discredit Randy Brent and his program.
Whenever anyone dares to show up with knowledge past the back yard, here she is, flapping and flogging until she learns what pisses them off to the point that they leave.
I know you know Chris and what her kennel accomplishes, so don't take my word. She what she says.
I truly do not understand people like this who do nothing and seem to be pissed because others do.
Regardless, you offer me very good advice,
Thanks again,
Rik
by Xeph on 30 July 2009 - 03:07
Who are you even takling about?
Robin is indeed respected...but so is Molly. I see her around here.
Robin is indeed respected...but so is Molly. I see her around here.
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